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Title: Banished Vanilla or with Mods running extremely slow, jumpy, skipping!
Post by: Jewels8 on July 21, 2018, 04:37:56 AM
Hi to all, I hope someone could shed some light re my problem that happened about a week ago, have done much troubleshooting and just cannot pin it down to anything I have tried.
I have run Banished Vanilla, Banished with MM alone and Banished with other Mods and nothing changes.
I start a new map and within a few minutes the game starts jumping, very staggered and at all speeds does not make a difference. The music sounds slightly distorted but I may me wrong there. I have uninstalled Banished and reinstalled, I lastly tried cleaning up files in regedit and doing this made no difference..I have checked the settings on my graphics card, it looks OK to me.
I have played modded Banished for years, and would build towns upward of 1000 citizens and at that point it was understandable if the game slowed down, but I hardly get to year 2 and the game is unplayable whether Vanilla or Modded.
I am stumped and have no idea what is going on, except that it is at the point I cannot play my beloved Banished anymore in the current status. If somebody has had any similar experience would love to hear :) Cheers from Down Under!
Title: Re: Banished Vanilla or with Mods running extremely slow, jumpy, skipping!
Post by: brads3 on July 21, 2018, 04:45:11 AM
fif you do anything to your computer recently,like add anew program? that sounds like a computer memory issue more than the game.you can try to check to see if you clicked the vsync on or off.you  can also use the task manager to see what other programs are running and turn off 1's you aren't using while playing.
Title: Re: Banished Vanilla or with Mods running extremely slow, jumpy, skipping!
Post by: Jewels8 on July 21, 2018, 05:09:07 AM
Thanks Brad, I have not installed any new programs, windows did do updates as usual but they never really affected my game in the past that I am aware. Vsync has always been selected as ON from the start so I don't think it is that. Going into task manager, I have looked and I am not really sure what programs I can close so I don't. Its just plain weird, I can workout problems with mod conflicts in the past but not this problem, how it started and why??
Title: Re: Banished Vanilla or with Mods running extremely slow, jumpy, skipping!
Post by: brads3 on July 21, 2018, 05:35:41 AM
i take it you tried to turn mods off and the game still plays slow and jumpy? mine slows down with mods cconsiderably compared to vanilla. at 10x with mods it plays closer to what vanilla 1 or 2x would be. the newest version of the NAT DIV mod is known to do some of what you mention.my bannies would skip instead of walk or run.
Title: Re: Banished Vanilla or with Mods running extremely slow, jumpy, skipping!
Post by: Goblin Girl on July 21, 2018, 10:45:17 AM
I wonder if a recent Windows Update is causing this problem indirectly, by not communicating as well as it used to with your graphics card or by creating a memory leak.  Maybe check to see if there's a newer driver for your graphics card, and also try running the game with Task manager open so you can watch what happens to your memory.
Also, if you have Steam, Adobe products, or Microsoft OneNote installed, then check to see if they're hogging resources.  (Hint: they are.) You can shut them down via the task manager and see if that helps.  Adobe subscription service client is a terrible memory hog, so that would be my first place to check. 

Hmm.  Also I wonder if your antivirus could be causing it? 
Title: Re: Banished Vanilla or with Mods running extremely slow, jumpy, skipping!
Post by: Jewels8 on July 21, 2018, 03:56:50 PM
Thanks @Brad yes as I said I tried running Vanilla and no mods at all and the same problem, added different kinds of mods and all combinations that I was running recently without this current issue.

Thank you @Goblin Girl,  I will take your suggestion and open Task manager and see what is hogging resources, I only have the Windows Anti-virus running which came with Windows 10. Hopefully I can resolve this soon one way or another!
Title: Re: Banished Vanilla or with Mods running extremely slow, jumpy, skipping!
Post by: RedKetchup on July 21, 2018, 05:18:28 PM
do you have a meter on your desktop that show all your cores and how occupied they are ?
Title: Re: Banished Vanilla or with Mods running extremely slow, jumpy, skipping!
Post by: galensgranny on July 21, 2018, 05:39:01 PM
@Jewels8 , I had something similar happen to me a while back, with my screen jumping, etc..  I did some things and now it doesn't do it.   I don't remember which of the following helped the most, but here are things to do:
First, that darn Windows update.  Even if you recently did one, it seems every so often Windows has more.  It seems to me that Windows is always updating!  (I have Windows 7.) If Windows has a new update, even if you have no idea, it will slow things down.  The other day regular internet browsing was getting tedious for me for days and anything I tried do on my computer seemed slowed down.  I checked for Window's updates, and sure enough, there were 5 new ones waiting, sneakily harassing my computer, until I told my computer to download them.  (Long ago I turned off automatic updates since it could happen at any time then automatically restart my computer.)  So, do check again for updates wanting and waiting any time things seems to not be running correctly with your computer.  Of course, you then have to restart the computer.
I have many, many, many mods loaded.  That will indeed slow down loading the game, but also with playing, depending upon your system speed, memory, graphics card etc.. 

If you have Steam, be sure to start in "offline mode".  Also, if you have not already, in Steam under their menu, Steam>Settings>In-game, and uncheck "Enable the Steam Overlay while in-game".

If do not have the "no smoke" mod, to not show the smoke coming out of chimneys, I strongly advise you get it:  http://blackliquidsoftware.com/index.php?/files/file/20-bl-no-smoke/ (http://blackliquidsoftware.com/index.php?/files/file/20-bl-no-smoke/).

Regarding turning off unneeded programs in Windows Task Manager:I keep having "Java update scheduler"  If you do, turn it off.Turn off anything that says,  "update notifier", even if it is for your antivirus program.  Of course, after you play the game, and at some point restart your computer, it comes back and do it's notifying of you.
Turn off any of the Adobe programs, as Goblin Girl said.  Any Microsoft Office programs can also get turned off (excel, word, etc.)  I have "Malwarebytes" a malware cleaner.  That gets turned off.  I also have CCleaner, to clean out temporary files, etc. and that gets turned off.  Of course, all those programs can still be used if you want to, but they are not taking up memory waiting in case you want them, which you don't when playing Banished.
I have an Intel graphics card.  Things seem better if in the game options I turn off anti-aliasing.  I have "shadow resolution" and "shadow quality" set on low.   
Title: Re: Banished Vanilla or with Mods running extremely slow, jumpy, skipping!
Post by: Goblin Girl on July 21, 2018, 07:54:42 PM
I use Malwarebytes too, and it hasn't caused me problems.  But, different machines, with different configurations, so who knows.
Title: Re: Banished Vanilla or with Mods running extremely slow, jumpy, skipping!
Post by: galensgranny on July 21, 2018, 08:57:04 PM
It's not that the Malwarebytes causes any problems, Goblin Girl, but rather with my computer with limited memory, that is one running program to turn off so more memory is available for Banished to use.
Title: Re: Banished Vanilla or with Mods running extremely slow, jumpy, skipping!
Post by: RedKetchup on July 21, 2018, 11:54:21 PM
with galen's comment ... i am wondering about how many RAM on the PC and also important how much space left on the C:\ ??
Title: Re: Banished Vanilla or with Mods running extremely slow, jumpy, skipping!
Post by: Gatherer on July 22, 2018, 03:18:26 AM
RealPlayer will also hog resources with it's many processes. When my pc is freshly started up I can see 4 RP processes in my task manager so I always close all of them before playing Banished.
Title: Re: Banished Vanilla or with Mods running extremely slow, jumpy, skipping!
Post by: rkelly17 on July 22, 2018, 09:58:42 AM
Quote from: RedKetchup on July 21, 2018, 05:18:28 PM
do you have a meter on your desktop that show all your cores and how occupied they are ?

Does Banished use more than one core? I've always assumed that it is a one-core program.

With the kind of issues being discussed here so much depends on what hardware you have. It is hard to suggest possible solutions without configuration information.
Title: Re: Banished Vanilla or with Mods running extremely slow, jumpy, skipping!
Post by: Hawk on July 22, 2018, 05:07:41 PM
Quote from: rkelly17 on July 22, 2018, 09:58:42 AM

Does Banished use more than one core? I've always assumed that it is a one-core program.

Here's a screenshot from a quad core CPU. As you can see, it looks like the majority of the CPU usage is on 1 core, even though the other 3 cores show a small amount. The amount on the other 3 cores is really trivial, I would say.
Title: Re: Banished Vanilla or with Mods running extremely slow, jumpy, skipping!
Post by: Jewels8 on July 23, 2018, 06:38:10 AM
Had a break from Banished few days, my cat Charlie is in hospital hoping he gets better very soon :(

@galensgranny  I had many many mods at one stage too, until i just decided on the MM8 and RKEditorsChoice mod
I am still stumped, as I believe I have not made any changes to my system, I could easily run a game for many many years and huge populations and built up my cities and no issue until recently, I didn't feel I needed the no smoke mod, I have had a look at task manager when not running the game and then running game to see the difference, not much that I can see that I can actually shutdown and when I do try to shut some processes it doesn't allow it! Have attached some screenshots of task manager while playing to show the resources.
I do run the game offline from Steam, I do prefer it that way anyway. to @RedKetchup I have attached screenshots of my system, I am really not tech savvy at all, just capturing screenshots on Windows 10 was a bit of a challenge :-[ I have no idea about meters?  @Hawk  Cores? this is way beyond me..
When the game started to behave this way I spent much time working out if it was the mods and it clearly wasn't as I experienced same issue playing Vanilla..I recall months ago I had quite a similar occurrence and the only thing that eventually corrected it, was to reinstall Windows fresh clean start, I have found that when the Windows updates happen it does something for sure to gameplay!  Thanks kindly to you all for sharing  :)
Title: Re: Banished Vanilla or with Mods running extremely slow, jumpy, skipping!
Post by: Hawk on July 23, 2018, 06:59:30 AM
Quote from: Jewels8 on July 23, 2018, 06:38:10 AM
@Hawk  Cores? this is way beyond me..

That's OK! I was just trying to address @rkelly17 's question.  ;)

It sounds to me like a Windows update has done something to your system that causes Banished to not run right.
One thing that is fairly common knowledge with techies is that getting driver updates from Microsoft for you hardware is not a good idea, but Microsoft still pushes their junk out. It can cause problems for folks.
I don't know if that's your issue but it is something to check. You should be able to tell by running dxdiag and check the video driver date.
Title: Re: Banished Vanilla or with Mods running extremely slow, jumpy, skipping!
Post by: RedKetchup on July 23, 2018, 07:39:21 AM
i find it very strange you only have 10GB of virtual memory with 8GB physical RAM....

what is the space left on your c:\ ??
Title: Re: Banished Vanilla or with Mods running extremely slow, jumpy, skipping!
Post by: rkelly17 on July 23, 2018, 08:36:40 AM
@Jewels8, I don't see anything that from your task manager screenshots that stands out to me as a problem. You have a processor that is probably more than Banished needs and enough RAM. I note that you have NVIDIA programs running. Do you have an NVIDIA graphics card? Do you get your drivers straight from NVIDIA?
Title: Re: Banished Vanilla or with Mods running extremely slow, jumpy, skipping!
Post by: galensgranny on July 23, 2018, 11:16:40 AM
I only have 4.0 GB of RAM, so being as you have more than that, Jewels8, and from your Task Manager screenshots, it does not seem you have a problem with other processes taking up too much memory to play, the way I have to take care about.
It maybe was something about one of the Windows Updates.  You could try uninstalling the most recent Windows update.  Somewhere there is something such as  "Windows Update Troubleshooter" you might find and investigate.  On occasion, an update doesn't get fully installed, or a person turned off their computer when it was in the middle of doing the install.  I have a laptop with Windows 10, but almost never use, preferring my PC with Windows 7, so I don't know much about Windows 10.

Or, if you have a restore point, you could turn back your computer to an earlier date when things worked well.
Title: Re: Banished Vanilla or with Mods running extremely slow, jumpy, skipping!
Post by: galensgranny on July 23, 2018, 11:25:15 AM
Oh, more importantly, @Jewels8 , I hope your cat Charlie gets well soon!
Title: Re: Banished Vanilla or with Mods running extremely slow, jumpy, skipping!
Post by: Jewels8 on July 23, 2018, 03:51:10 PM
Thanks @brads3 did run the dxdiag and the driver date is over a year ago. you will see the this in capture003
@RedKetchup I have very little space left on my physical drive, I have been meaning to buy a external drive to transfer my huge media files and free up my C drive, have attached capture007. @rkelly17 I do have a NVidia GEForce GT 745M see in capture003
@galensgranny will have a look at the Windows updates and see if I can roll back to an earlier version and see if that makes any difference, and Thank  you for your well wishes for Charlie! :)
Title: Re: Banished Vanilla or with Mods running extremely slow, jumpy, skipping!
Post by: galensgranny on July 23, 2018, 05:46:23 PM
Oh, Jewels8, you do have a lot stored on your computer!  I have 721 GB of free space.  I don't think free space matters so much for the game, though, as long as there is some available.
Title: Re: Banished Vanilla or with Mods running extremely slow, jumpy, skipping!
Post by: RedKetchup on July 23, 2018, 07:58:40 PM
no 72GB you should have enough... unless your windows doesnt want to take more than 10% if your available space.
check if you can load and restore an old backup
Title: Re: Banished Vanilla or with Mods running extremely slow, jumpy, skipping!
Post by: gozer on July 24, 2018, 01:10:32 AM
Hi, what are your power setting?
Maybe you set this to power save, then the CPU (computer processor) is limited. This could explain why the behavior in both cases...

Title: Re: Banished Vanilla or with Mods running extremely slow, jumpy, skipping!
Post by: Jewels8 on July 24, 2018, 04:59:43 AM
Well I don't believe I can fix this, I have tried to narrow it down and pinpoint it to something but have no idea anymore. Removed some data from C drive to free up space, uninstalled recent windows updates and No I don't have any power saving enabled. I think my best way is to just reinstall windows like on a previous occasion and that was because the so called computer tech guy said I had adware on computer and he couldn't remove it so the solution was to wipe the computer clean and reinstall everything! There is no virus being detected or adware or malaware this time..so I have no idea what happened. Thank you all who shared possible scenarios why this was happening, much appreciation..Cheers!
Title: Re: Banished Vanilla or with Mods running extremely slow, jumpy, skipping!
Post by: gozer on July 24, 2018, 05:40:48 AM
Good luck with the reinstall, 90+% of all Windows related issues will be solved with reinstall  :)
But it is always a lot of work...
Title: Re: Banished Vanilla or with Mods running extremely slow, jumpy, skipping!
Post by: RedKetchup on July 24, 2018, 06:11:46 AM
let us know how it goes after
Title: Re: Banished Vanilla or with Mods running extremely slow, jumpy, skipping!
Post by: galensgranny on July 24, 2018, 01:24:22 PM
Jewels, I am sorry you can't find something that would make an easy fix.  I had high hopes for you uninstalling the recent Windows update in case it didn't download fully and made things wonky.  That helped me one time.  I hope you get things working well again soon.
How is your cat?
Title: Re: Banished Vanilla or with Mods running extremely slow, jumpy, skipping!
Post by: Jewels8 on July 24, 2018, 03:04:22 PM
So kind of you to ask @galensgranny Charlie my male cat, one of 5 of my beloved kitkats is in hospital due to FLUTD poor bugger couldn't do a wee, apparently it is quite common for de-sexed male cats to have this condition, they get plugged up and since they're penis's are so small, it is very important soon as you notice this to get them to hospital as it can prove fatal! He has been hospitalised last three days, and is doing well now due to be released tonight if he can show that he can urinate freely once the catheter is removed. Looking forward to bringing him home!  :)
Title: Re: Banished Vanilla or with Mods running extremely slow, jumpy, skipping!
Post by: galensgranny on July 24, 2018, 05:33:07 PM
@Jewels8 , I hope Charlie won't get blocked again. I found a cat on the street who was so blocked, he was just dripping blood!  He got all fixed up at the vet hospital, fortunately.  His blockage seemed to be due to a bacterial infection.  Who knows how long that sweet, tame cat was lost on the streets and what he might have gotten into.  I never had that problem with any of my male cats over the years, thank goodness.  Does Charlie need special food now, to help avoid the problem in case it was due to bladder or kidney stones?
Title: Re: Banished Vanilla or with Mods running extremely slow, jumpy, skipping!
Post by: Jewels8 on July 25, 2018, 06:46:38 PM
I truly hope it does not happen again @galensgranny Charlie stayed another day in Vet Hospital, I am hopefully going to pick him up this afternoon, waiting to hear from the Vet. Not sure about his diet, will find out later today.

I have attached my Banished regedit captures, if anybody can see something out of the ordinary..not so much the mods but the other settings..such as the VideoRefresh etc would love to hear! just grasping right now for anything to find the cause of the problem and hoping to save myself the job of wiping my computer clean! Thank you!
Title: Re: Banished Vanilla or with Mods running extremely slow, jumpy, skipping!
Post by: galensgranny on July 25, 2018, 10:03:43 PM
I would not mess with anything in the registry.  Your problem would not be something exclusive to Banished.

Here is something on a Windows community about games running chopping.  You might find something in the various posts that might help you.  Note that it is from 2015 so all might not apply.  https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-hardware/games-are-so-choppy-and-ridiculously-slow-after/9306bdf7-b85d-40ba-bbff-eebb464b31ed
Here is something else from 2018 that might have some ideas for you, regarding problems after a Windows update:  https://www.windowsdigital.com/game-lag-slow-performance-issue-after-windows-10-update/