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Title: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: kid1293 on July 13, 2018, 09:21:11 AM
Hi!
Most of you know me as the one churning out houses in different styles.
I have tried to better myself but I can't help it. :)

I stumbled upon the vanilla thatch roof texture and I have used it on some buildings.
I searched further and found many vanilla textures available for free.

Abandoned said she wanted the shack in her story released. It was only used for her
starting scenario. I retextured it with more or less vanilla textures and I liked it.
I made another one and started to look through my mods for buildings to convert.
When I did not find any I started to make some new.

I have talked to Abandoned and we agree that there should be a mod with some vanilla
'extra' buildings.

Here are some samples to show what I mean.

Two Shacks
(http://worldofbanished.com/gallery/2582_13_07_18_9_02_06.png)

School
(http://worldofbanished.com/gallery/2582_13_07_18_9_02_52.png)

Smith
(http://worldofbanished.com/gallery/2582_13_07_18_9_03_12.png)

Small Barn
(http://worldofbanished.com/gallery/2582_13_07_18_9_16_39.png)

What are your thoughts on such a mod?
It will be very much vanilla style. No fancy resources or production chains.
Just a few buildings to fill out some gaps. Vanilla buildings are often large.

:)
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: kid1293 on July 13, 2018, 09:26:30 AM
I have some new and some old building on to do-list.
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: rkelly17 on July 13, 2018, 10:48:50 AM
@kid1293, I like this a lot. At the very beginning of the game, when resources are in short supply and every adult is needed for several jobs at once, it is nice to have some buildings with low requirements such as the vanilla wood house. Later, when survival is secured and prosperity beckons, one can build the nicer--and better quality--houses. Then I like to keep the older buildings as kind of an "old town," more historical section of the settlement, maybe build a memorial park to remember the pioneers or some such. A mod such as you describe would be perfect. If, say, your various "vanilla" buildings had requirements in line with the wood houses they could form a nice foundation for a much larger settlement. Or they could form the core of a "back woods" sort of town that never really gets around to the more sophisticated buildings.
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: kid1293 on July 13, 2018, 10:56:12 AM
I think of these building as complement to the start of a new game.
So, in that you are right.

I have some trouble setting the right cost for some buildings.
I have both wood and stone on the same f-key. It means I can only
have one set of requirements for them. I can maybe separate them into
many toolbar buttons but that is not funny either.  :(

I have not yet thought of the size of this mod. I continue for a while as
long as I am having fun :)
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: galensgranny on July 13, 2018, 10:57:32 AM
Yes, Yes, Yes and again Yes, to such a mod using the vanilla roof texture!  Even if one uses Vanilla Banished only, such a person would like some more variety.  But, since I have added RK EC, all the Vanilla buildings have been replaced, and I really have wanted some with that thatch roof.  So yay!  You are doing it, Kid.  I do need some  houses also with that texture, because as I said, Red's mod has taken them away.  Re-roofing some or at least one of your already made buildings would be great.
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: kid1293 on July 13, 2018, 11:02:49 AM
Hi Granny!
Some stone and a lot of thatch. Sounds good?  :)

It will be an Old Town mod. Meaning - old as in back to the roots.
I will not dabble in strange production or anything. Just plain basic things.
You can probably load it with any other mod.

I will however take the opportunity to send a thought to Slink and her
stackable houses. You'll see! :)
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: rkelly17 on July 13, 2018, 11:08:35 AM
Yes, a compliment or supplement to the vanilla is worth pursuing.

One of the attractions o Banished in the beginning was the simplicity. Actually it was a deeper complexity hidden behind a simple cover, but I hop you know what I mean. The simplicity was appealing. After awhile, of course, many of us began longing for something more, and modders responded with riches beyond our wildest dreams. Now it is hard to imagine playing without one's favorite collection of mods. And yet. And yet, there is still something appealing about that initial simplicity. That can be addressed with a mod such as what you are proposing, Kid. I hope you find it fun.
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: galensgranny on July 13, 2018, 11:14:49 AM
Quote from: kid1293 on July 13, 2018, 11:02:49 AM
Hi Granny!
Some stone and a lot of thatch. Sounds good?  :)

It will be an Old Town mod. Meaning - old as in back to the roots.
I will not dabble in strange production or anything. Just plain basic things.
You can probably load it with any other mod.

I will however take the opportunity to send a thought to Slink and her
stackable houses. You'll see! :)
Yes, Kid, I agree and desire all you just said.  Some stone and thatch.  Some wood walls are ok, of course, but stone is so nice.   Just buildings- no production chains or requirements needing this, that and the other in order to build a basic house that the bannies cannot possibly do the first year.   For sure, no "strange production".
I don't want them just for "slap up something temporary for the first year houses".  I want them to be "the home" that lasts and is loved by the bannies for years. 

(Oh, to other modders who do require production chains in order to get glass, clay, lumber etc. to build fancier building, I am fine with that and like that for my "rich people's" section of town.  Just not for my basic, simple folk who like the old ways.)
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: brads3 on July 13, 2018, 11:39:38 AM
as you have heard most players will want this set with the RK mod. is it to be a full set? i would ask for the tailor to make wool clothing as well as leather. the tiny shop doesn't make the wool coats. can the blacksmith be modded after the rowhouse smith and make wood,stone,rough,iron,  and steel tools and muskets?  a small tavern modded similar to the Pilgrim's rest with root beer and ciders. if we want to be fancy set ciders as food  like TOM did in the last North mod. this gives the kids fruit juices but might also increase happiness.not sure if that is possable. a wood canlde shop would be handy.  what about a townhall similar to the wild west mayor's office?
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: LadyMarmalade on July 13, 2018, 12:18:39 PM
I agree with what has already been said, I would love more start-of-game buildings with the vanilla texturing. I, not sure if it's OCD or not but I have a strong and strange need for my buildings to match and nothing drives me more nuts than not being able to do this. As has been said, with RK's mod all the vanilla houses vanish and , whilst I love the replacements, I would also love to retain the option of vanilla-textured buildings.  I further agree that we dont need complicated and tedious lists of requirements and chains. Just something simple - like me :)
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: galensgranny on July 13, 2018, 12:51:22 PM
Quote from: LadyMarmalade on July 13, 2018, 12:18:39 PM
I, not sure if it's OCD or not but I have a strange need for my buildings to match and nothing drives me more nuts than not being able to do this. ...
I am that way too.  They don't have to totally match, and I don't want every building 100% the same, but they have to compliment each other well with some part matching, not only for size (maybe all have the same roofs but different wall textures, or vice- versa).  Otherwise it just simply cannot be.
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: Abandoned on July 13, 2018, 01:38:43 PM
I am so happy to hear I am not the only one who really likes original plain and simple and basic vanilla buildings and production.  Old Town is meant to compliment vanilla set, not complicate it or replace it.  I already see it as a must have starting mod, with buildings smaller than vanilla but bigger than tiny.   :)
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: kid1293 on July 13, 2018, 01:48:30 PM
@brads3 - nothing you requested is vanilla! It is only extensions to already existing mods.
I can't make both vanilla and not vanilla and stay sane. It is one or the other.
This time it is vanilla.

I must admit there will be a baker (not vanilla) but artists freedom you know :D :D
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: brads3 on July 13, 2018, 02:17:33 PM
LOL,i tried to keep with mods you had coded already.
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: kid1293 on July 13, 2018, 02:39:11 PM
Thanks @brads3
I admire the work you do, trying to make mods playable. There is nothing simple in that.

But this mod is meant to be simple. Unless I stumble onto something :)
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: brads3 on July 13, 2018, 02:52:55 PM
you made so many,i need a folder inside the mod order to put them all in.be easier to move them all that way.
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: kid1293 on July 13, 2018, 03:05:49 PM
I know what you mean. It is a lot of small mods. I have backups  on several places of all I do.
When they are not in sync - there goes the weekend.

I want it that way. I never liked mega mod and other too big mods.
In a way they give freedom but they also limits what you can do.
You of all know that! :)

:) You dont have to use ALL my mods at the same time :)

Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: brads3 on July 13, 2018, 03:50:55 PM
i don't even have them ALL. i agree modulars works better than the MM way. gives players options on how to use them. plus some can't load a big file. each of your mods i am using, there is a piece or 2 that i do want or need even when i try not to use the mod. it is handy to have them in the toolbox just in case.   i found out last week that you added to the plantation set.
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: RedKetchup on July 13, 2018, 03:51:04 PM
hehe it is funny sometime  ;D

i do everything i can to make disappear the vanilla look....
and Kid do everything to make everything look vanilla LOL

;D
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: brads3 on July 13, 2018, 03:57:06 PM
hahah,i think KID's is a rougher looking texture though. more weathered look. i do hope he rememebers to change the names so the comp doesn't confuse the 2.lol
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: Willows on July 13, 2018, 05:49:16 PM
I actually would like the vanilla thatch roof to be a more realistic, natural color meself. It's awfully "red". Examples:



Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: galensgranny on July 13, 2018, 07:22:59 PM
@Willows , Kid's Plimoth Plantation mod has buildings with that more brownish color thatch. http://worldofbanished.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=213

For me, I want the original Banished orangy kind of roofs.
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: kid1293 on July 13, 2018, 10:47:29 PM
This one is Abandoned's idea. Slink made those small stackable houses and here
is my version of them. I am not friend with outside stairs (bannies jump up and down)
I solved it by making them half ghosted. They connect only through three roadtiles.
But be sure not to double-click when you place them. You will have two apartments
occupying the same location.

(http://worldofbanished.com/gallery/2582_13_07_18_10_38_37.png)

Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: galensgranny on July 14, 2018, 12:28:56 AM
Those look nice.  I hope they can be placed side by side with no gap.
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: kid1293 on July 14, 2018, 01:20:27 AM
Not too severe gap, I hope.
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: galensgranny on July 14, 2018, 02:19:57 AM
I was hoping they could be lined up against one another like townhouses.
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: elemental on July 14, 2018, 04:09:12 AM
Stackable is a very good idea, but wall to wall (gapless) always looks much better with this sort of building. Like your row houses, which are still one of my favourite house types.

I don't know what other buildings you have planned but some basics like a mill and bakery would be a good addition to the vanilla set. Also, your animal sheds.
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: kid1293 on July 14, 2018, 05:26:24 AM
I already have mill and baker. (pictures)

I will make the animal shed match too (wood and thatch).
I include them here. I don't update originals.

About making cabins closer together. It is a lot of work  :(
I have those protruding roof edges. They will look funny if standing alone.
I will take a look but if it does not feel good you have to be content as it is.
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: kid1293 on July 14, 2018, 05:35:04 AM
Also a hostel.
I plan for separating wood and stone in separate menus to be able to
change build requirements. A bit messy but it works better.

(http://worldofbanished.com/gallery/2582_14_07_18_5_32_46.png)

edit - I made a test and changed 'stackable rowhouse cabins'. Not to hard. I will do it.
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: galensgranny on July 14, 2018, 07:44:19 AM
Everything looks wonderful!  I do really like the stone walled, gray roofed look!
QuoteI made a test and changed 'stackable rowhouse cabins'. Not to hard. I will do it.
Thank you so much!   :) I was going to say if it was an annoying, difficult thing to forget about it, but I am glad it was not hard to do!
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: Goblin Girl on July 14, 2018, 10:01:33 AM
I'm late to the party but I also love these! 

Two things I would request:1. That your small smith also make wool, hide, and linen coats from flax, sort of a combo between your forest house workshop and your Plimoth Plantation workshop. 
2. A Dairy that matches the vanilla wood/thatch textures.  I wouldn't mind it if up to three workers could be assigned, but if you think it would be best with a lower number I could live with that.

Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: rkelly17 on July 14, 2018, 10:42:57 AM
I like the two story houses. Is it two separate houses for two families or one bigger house for one large family? The three story looks a bit top-heavy to my eye, though it might work in the slum of a city if you had as street full of them. Red's three story Medieval houses could be the nice neighborhood and these could be the not-so-nice neighborhood. I also like the hostel in both wood and stone. This is very nit-picky, but a sign out over the door would really give them the look of a country inn.
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: Abandoned on July 14, 2018, 11:39:12 AM
@Goblin Girl the smith makes vanilla iron and steel tools, the tailor makes vanilla hide coats, wool coats, and warm coats.  Kid is adding his animal sheds to Old Town. They look great with wood and thatch textures.

@rkelly17 the stacked houses have families on each level, you chose to build 1, 2, or 3 levels.  They are intended for worker housing.
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: Kimbolton on July 14, 2018, 11:45:00 AM

I really like this idea Kid. The boarding house looks great and those stackable houses are truly awesome (and thanks for making them wall to wall), can't wait to try them in game. :)
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: kid1293 on July 14, 2018, 01:28:12 PM
Ithought I posted a picture...
Well, here they are side by side.
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: elemental on July 14, 2018, 03:38:20 PM
Nice.

The boarding house model could also work a large family house. Would anyone want a house for 10 or 12 (or more) people? Some folks got very busy back in those times.
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: LadyMarmalade on July 14, 2018, 03:45:36 PM
I am loving the look of ALL your new buildings and can't wait to have them in my game :)
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: Goblin Girl on July 14, 2018, 04:46:26 PM
Quote from: LadyMarmalade on July 14, 2018, 03:45:36 PM
I am loving the look of ALL your new buildings and can't wait to have them in my game :)
I rarely see houses for 7 fill up. Heck, I rarely see houses for six fill up. 
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: elemental on July 14, 2018, 05:00:28 PM
Ageing mods can give you full houses.
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: Goblin Girl on July 14, 2018, 07:26:17 PM
I tried an aging mod once a few years ago.  After a few hours I decided it wasn't for me, and I've never tried again.
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: elemental on July 14, 2018, 07:51:55 PM
They certainly don't suit everyone. I like a slow game, so I like ageing mods.
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: galensgranny on July 15, 2018, 01:09:18 AM
Quote from: elemental on July 14, 2018, 03:38:20 PM
Nice.

The boarding house model could also work a large family house. Would anyone want a house for 10 or 12 (or more) people? Some folks got very busy back in those times.
I would want a house that looks like the boarding house, maybe a bit smaller, and not for 12 people.  @kid1293 , would you consider doing a different look house aside from the stacked house?  Maybe just retexture some house you already made, such as your Nordic Houses, or maybe just one of them. (http://worldofbanished.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=103)
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: kid1293 on July 15, 2018, 01:56:38 AM
@galensgranny
I already did two shacks with thatch roof.
Check first post in thread.
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: galensgranny on July 15, 2018, 06:26:14 AM
Oh, yes, I saw those shacks before, but forgot.  How many people can they have?
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: kid1293 on July 15, 2018, 02:42:22 PM
Hi!
Shacks can have 4 people
Cabins can have 3
Boarding House 4 families of 4
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: DesoPL on July 16, 2018, 12:45:28 AM
I like vanilla.  :P
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: kid1293 on July 16, 2018, 02:31:31 AM
 :) Me too... and chocolate.
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: Abandoned on July 16, 2018, 06:20:58 AM
 :D I'll have a scoop of each with a cookie  :D
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: tuggistar on July 16, 2018, 09:26:46 AM
Vanilla building style looks amazing. Your stylish collection Mods always look cool. And a new style of vanilla too. Thanks for the work. :)
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: kid1293 on July 16, 2018, 09:44:36 AM
Thanks.
I find it assuring to fall back to vanilla. A safe place.
I do understand the happiness of doing something more with long production chains.
It is still possible. This is only as an addition to starting vanilla.
What you do after that is up to you.

Here is a little more. First, as promised, the animal sheds. No cheese this time.
Next is my colonial chapel retextured. I don't want a discussion about the cross.
If you don't like it, go without a church.
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: Goblin Girl on July 16, 2018, 02:37:09 PM
I love all of it!  I can't wait to play with this.
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: Kimbolton on July 16, 2018, 04:18:18 PM
QuoteI love all of it!  I can't wait to play with this.

Me too!  :)
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: galensgranny on July 16, 2018, 10:16:34 PM
I am glad you made the chapel in that texture! 
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: DesoPL on July 17, 2018, 02:05:52 AM
Personally i could love vanilla alike trade center, fisherman hut etc.
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: kid1293 on July 17, 2018, 05:53:52 AM
 ;D I am not going to replace vanilla! Just add 'a few' buildings.
I don't know about timeline for this mod. I also have other things to see to.
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: Willows on July 17, 2018, 08:06:50 AM
MMMmmmm.....all this talk about vanilla, chocolate...

I know!! Kid, do an ice cream shop!!   :D LOL
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: kid1293 on July 17, 2018, 08:13:48 AM
Ice cream shop?  ::)
I guess you could call it vanilla  :D

I will try to get together a test version of the mod. Toolbar icons are still a mess.  :(
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: DesoPL on July 17, 2018, 08:56:00 AM
What about Appiary? Idk personally i could like Appiary in vanila style. :P With smal mix of chocolate.
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: kid1293 on July 17, 2018, 09:23:15 AM
Vanilla Apiary is already very much vanilla with thatch roof and a lot of wood.
I don't think there is a need for a new one.

Honey and chocolate... with a hint on vanilla?
We have to invent something :D
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: Willows on July 17, 2018, 10:20:38 AM
QuoteVanilla Apiary is already very much vanilla with thatch roof and a lot of wood.
I don't think there is a need for a new one.

It's frackin' huge tho. Maybe a smaller one? Skeps are not that big, lol
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: kid1293 on July 17, 2018, 10:48:03 AM
It's huge but nice.
And more to the point - the vanilla apiary is the only building given to us from Luke.
It means - that building is the start of all buildings we do! I honor it!

...you can always place a few workplace beehives and get honey. Decorate with flowers
and you have your own unique apiary! :)
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: DesoPL on July 17, 2018, 02:05:31 PM
I try been creative.  :'(
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: kid1293 on July 17, 2018, 02:38:03 PM
Cheer up- I am glad you care. I just try to go away from too much to do. :)
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: BlueFireChelle on July 23, 2018, 03:32:39 AM
Loving this new take on the vanilla theme! I am always amazed by how great your models look and how quickly you can make them! Having tried my hand at Blender I am now eternally impressed by other people's skills.
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: kid1293 on July 23, 2018, 10:36:10 AM
I have one question for you all. (wrong thread, but...)

What do you think about the added storage to my Tiny buildings?
@Yandersen did not stay long but it is a nice contribution.
But... some have trouble with bannies having to run all the way
out into the forest to get some food. Not good!

I am about to remove extra storage and make a workover on Tiny.

Input please. :)
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: schueler on July 23, 2018, 11:10:33 AM
The attached storages should maybe look more rustical and vintage and have a sloped roof, in my opinion.
But then they wouldn't quite fit the design of the main buildings...  Attaching them right to the building with a sloped "half-roof" would also be an option.

Right now - no offense - they look like oversized outdoor loos. ;)



Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: galensgranny on July 23, 2018, 11:37:40 AM
@kid1293 , I did not know what you meant at first, but mentioning Yanderson made me realize you meant the added storage in Tiny V1.71, for the gatherer, forester, etc.

I like the idea that those buildings can also store what their employees gather.  There would have to be a storage area somewhere nearby those buildings anyway, so I don't see the problem.  Also, near my homes I have markets where the Bannies get food.  If some of them want to wander the map to some out lying storage building, well, they do weird things sometimes.
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: brads3 on July 23, 2018, 12:01:31 PM
the storage option to the forest is handy.very glad that the forester will store many items as well as logs. if you and other modders pick up TOM's happiness influence more than a market out in the forest wikk be more important. with the set always being built in the trees,having storage saves players having to place buildings and piles.the less buildings needed the easier to line up and set them. before you added this and RED added the forester storage,the pine storage sged got used a lot.it is good to have more options now.

      several of our modders have left that brought much unique improvements.they are greatly missed.they didn't just bring buildings but helped discover more to impact the game. speaking of which,how is PILGRIM?
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: Goblin Girl on July 23, 2018, 12:51:52 PM
I like the storage if and only if I have markets.  Though, the one that has seemed most problematic to me is the forester.  Typically when I build one, the first thing I do is clear the stone and iron from the circle.  Then it gets stored in the forester's building, which means they have to schlep their logs all the way to gown, or I have to set the building to be destroyed so the bannies will empty it.  Once the forest is cleared of stone and iron, the log storage isn't bad, but again, it's better with markets (and I love love love your log vendor!).
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: galensgranny on July 23, 2018, 12:57:55 PM
Kid, if you are going to be redoing the Tiny V1.71, would you consider having a well that does NOT attract nomads, along with the current well that does?  If you felt like adding a Tiny Tavern, that would be a great bonus.
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: galensgranny on July 23, 2018, 01:13:40 PM
 
Quote from: Goblin Girl on July 23, 2018, 12:51:52 PM
I like the storage if and only if I have markets.  Though, the one that has seemed most problematic to me is the forester.  Typically when I build one, the first thing I do is clear the stone and iron from the circle.  Then it gets stored in the forester's building, which means they have to schlep their logs all the way to gown, or I have to set the building to be destroyed so the bannies will empty it.  Once the forest is cleared of stone and iron, the log storage isn't bad, but again, it's better with markets (and I love love love your log vendor!).
GoblinGirl, I usually put a small general stockpile near where I want to clear the forest area, before I set down the forester building.  Then that amount of stone, if any, is not going in the forester storage.  Before there was any storage in the forester, gatherer, etc., we always had to have a stockpile nearby anyway, so it isn't very different, just saving space. 

Also, it is better that there is food available for the Bannies right there in the forest where they are working.  Otherwise, they will have to walk all the way to where ever to get something to eat and take longer to get back to work in their area.  Before we had these buildings that also stored items, didn't you always put some kind of storage barn nearby for the gatherers and hunters to put their products?
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: embx61 on July 23, 2018, 02:00:09 PM
The whole no extra buildings in a forester circle is overstated IMHO.
It is maybe important for max numbers players who like  to squeeze that room for that 1 extra tree in the circle but for the regular Banished players not important.

I always place about 7 or 8 houses 4x4, a pile, a small market, and a small barn next to the gatherer, forester, hunter, herbalist, and woodcutter all in the circle and still enough trees for logging/gathering.
About all the professions used in the circle will occupy those houses soon with a laborer or two added to the mix.
It will lose room for trees but my bannies are very efficient because their house/market/pile is close by and they not have to walk out of the circle every time they have to get warm/get food/get supplies so that makes a lot up for the lost trees.

I never run into problems this way. Again, maybe I lose some logs a year then not having extra buildings in the circle but I can say it is not that bad according to all the maps I played so far with this setup.
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: galensgranny on July 23, 2018, 02:17:40 PM
Quote from: embx61 on July 23, 2018, 02:00:09 PM
The whole no extra buildings in a forester circle is overstated IMHO.
It is maybe important for max numbers players who like  to squeeze that room for that 1 extra tree in the circle but for the regular Banished players not important.
Embx, I like the forest buildings to have storage because it makes no sense to have a large building that does nothing.  In real life, the buildings would of course have the forest pickings put there at first.  I don't care as much about saving space for more trees, just that I like things to be more logical and sensible.
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: embx61 on July 23, 2018, 02:58:23 PM
I was not meaning you Granny but I read it many times also on other sites that it is bad practice to place extra buildings in a forester circle and have seen quite a few players believe it.
So I can see from their point of view the wasted space of some footprints like forester goes against the the above.
I just wrote it to let players know it is not a bad thing to place extra buildings in a circle because I do it every time without issues.

As for storage to the forester building. I am not against it but I personally have no use for it because a small barn in the circle will do just that and fits with my play style as I don't care about losing some trees for close by storage. :)
The wasted space from some Vanilla buildings is something I not worried about.
It is not perfect but not a game breaker either and Luke was just a bit lazy here to come up with a better solution I think.  :D

Now see if I can add storage to the Town Hall because technically it is wasted space too.  :P   :D  [ducking]
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: elemental on July 23, 2018, 03:13:00 PM
Another option is to use one of the foresters/herbalists/gatherers that have a larger circle. There there is plenty of room for housing in the forest community.
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: kid1293 on July 23, 2018, 03:21:02 PM
After reading your comments, good folks, I am still not sure what to do.
Since I have had it with storage, and no one has really objected to it,
I keep it as it is. @brads - I add a smaller forester to the set. Without storage.
@Abandoned asked for one and it seems like that building is the only complaint.

Thanks all. Now go back and play the game :)
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: kid1293 on July 23, 2018, 04:15:36 PM
@galensgranny - I added a standard well. To keep it simple on toolbar I placed it together
with the nomad wells. It says 0% nomads. (I removed the code)
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: galensgranny on July 23, 2018, 05:36:57 PM
Quote from: kid1293 on July 23, 2018, 04:15:36 PM
@galensgranny - I added a standard well. To keep it simple on toolbar I placed it together
with the nomad wells. It says 0% nomads. (I removed the code)
Thanks, Kid!  I like the different colored roof tops for the wells.
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: galensgranny on July 23, 2018, 05:39:26 PM
Quote from: embx61 on July 23, 2018, 02:58:23 PM
I was not meaning you Granny but I read it many times also on other sites that it is bad practice to place extra buildings in a forester circle and have seen quite a few players believe it.
So I can see from their point of view the wasted space of some footprints like forester goes against the the above.
I just wrote it to let players know it is not a bad thing to place extra buildings in a circle because I do it every time without issues.

As for storage to the forester building. I am not against it but I personally have no use for it because a small barn in the circle will do just that and fits with my play style as I don't care about losing some trees for close by storage. :)
The wasted space from some Vanilla buildings is something I not worried about.
It is not perfect but not a game breaker either and Luke was just a bit lazy here to come up with a better solution I think.  :D

Now see if I can add storage to the Town Hall because technically it is wasted space too.  :P   :D  [ducking]

That's a great idea, Embx, to add storage to the Town Hall!   ;D
I had read that too, to not have buildings in the range of the gatherer, etc.   I never could decide if it mattered or not.  So I just do it a bit of this, and a bit of that.
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: Goblin Girl on July 23, 2018, 08:42:47 PM
Quote from: galensgranny on July 23, 2018, 01:13:40 PM
  Before we had these buildings that also stored items, didn't you always put some kind of storage barn nearby for the gatherers and hunters to put their products?
I still do.  When I build a forest hub I typically put a gatherer, barn, forester, two or three houses and the tiny school for 7 people.  But I put the stockpile outside of the circle, because I rarely get so low on logs that I have to have my forester do anything besides plant.  I think that's because I typically use the Appalachian Forest starting condition.  Trees for days.
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: BlueFireChelle on July 24, 2018, 03:39:31 AM
I like to put one of your little Workplace storage sheds out in the forest. I build a couple of small homes and the Workplace shed about midway within the forester's radius and the edge of the settlement. That seems to work well for my bannies. :)
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: galensgranny on July 24, 2018, 01:29:07 PM
Quote from: BlueFireChelle on July 24, 2018, 03:39:31 AM
I like to put one of your little Workplace storage sheds out in the forest. I build a couple of small homes and the Workplace shed about midway within the forester's radius and the edge of the settlement. That seems to work well for my bannies. :)
Kid's workplace tiny sheds are the best thing ever!  I, too, put them in outer areas of the forest so the hunters and gatherers have a quick place to drop off their products.  And then, I use them often for "back yard" storage sheds for the Bannies.  Thanks, Kid, for making that tiny shed!  It's one of my essential items for Banished.  :)
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: rkelly17 on July 24, 2018, 01:50:09 PM
Quote from: embx61 on July 23, 2018, 02:58:23 PM
I was not meaning you Granny but I read it many times also on other sites that it is bad practice to place extra buildings in a forester circle and have seen quite a few players believe it.
So I can see from their point of view the wasted space of some footprints like forester goes against the the above.
I just wrote it to let players know it is not a bad thing to place extra buildings in a circle because I do it every time without issues.

I agree, @embx61. I always build a forest node with hunter, gatherer, forester, woodcutter, barn, stockpile and six houses (slots for all workers for the four buildings). Production is fine and I think that the increased efficiency of everybody makes up for any loss of space. Of course, I do use Red's colorful little two-story houses which adds to space available for trees and gatherables. I always use vanilla for all four work sites because, . . . well, because I just got used to doing it that way, I guess.
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: embx61 on July 24, 2018, 02:07:55 PM
@rkelly17

:) There are several mods that replaces the Vanilla buildings in all or in part.
Red replaced most buildings in his Red Editor Choice Mod but you get the whole package.

Then Kid made some mods what replaces Vanilla buildings if you are more into some smaller size buildings.
Necora's mods also have some replacements of Vanilla.

Tom's The North also replaces some Vanilla buildings.

Then Discrepancy also have replacement for Vanilla buildings.

My EB Village set have about all the Vanilla buildings covered and some buildings are a bit smaller too.
No chances to game play besides that it uses Iron Ore instead of Iron what can be mined or picked up from the ground.
The rest is about the same as Vanilla.

I just separated some parts of the set to be more modular for those who only want the houses can do so without the production stuff and so on.
The whole set will always be available too.

So choice enough to replace (some of) the Vanilla buildings if you feel up to it :)
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: Abandoned on July 24, 2018, 02:32:24 PM
LOL this thread is about adding to and enhancing original vanilla, also adding vanilla wood and thatch to Tiny and if the resource gatherers with storage was liked or not. I thought they would be but I thought the forester with storage was too big to be called Tiny.  :)   I was glad to know there are others that like the original vanilla wood and thatch roof. Old Town mod will have some very nice looking pieces to compliment vanilla.   :)
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: brads3 on July 24, 2018, 02:49:08 PM
one thing that helps with the modded forest sets is the radius is not the same. some are smaller.depending on where you want to locate, you have some options. the other option is what goods you want to have or need.the pine mod brings mapple sap and apple trees.the CC addon orchard forest mod has many fruit and nut trees. depending on mod combinations you have a wide range of different goods for the bannies or trading. i should add not all trees give the same amount of logs either.


     it is interesting to hear how you all play different. i like the universal storage options in the forests like RED's forest barn or KID's set with added storage.as the forester clears iron and stone, he has somewhere to put it. i have a small shed,i think REd made it a long while back.it is quite handy as a workplace storage.
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: galensgranny on July 24, 2018, 02:52:59 PM
Quote from: Abandoned on July 24, 2018, 02:32:24 PM
LOL this thread is about adding to and enhancing original vanilla, also adding vanilla wood and thatch to Tiny and if the resource gatherers with storage was liked or not. I thought they would be but I thought the forester with storage was too big to be called Tiny.  :)   I was glad to know there are others that like the original vanilla wood and thatch roof. Old Town mod will have some very nice looking pieces to compliment vanilla.   :)
Yes, it is so that the forester in Kid's Tiny set is actually too large to be considered "tiny". 

I would like the tiny houses to have the Vanilla roofs as another option.  I like all kinds of roofing choices.  I sure don't only want thatch look, but for some starting homes, I sometimes like that the people first had to use what was readily available to make a weather proof home.
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: kid1293 on July 24, 2018, 03:04:21 PM
Just like Picasso had his 'blue period' I have my 'thatch period' :)

It is nice to have a goal when you are modding. Not only strive to keep
up the appearance of what you are doing. I am glad I started to mod
with vanilla textures. They really showed where it all started.
To me it is an experience. Others may have left and forgot...

There will be a mod called Old Town with some buildings in only (almost)
vanilla textures. I am not quite ready.
I have also an update to Tiny (Tiny2) where I will add a vanilla wood/thatch
to all buildings in the mod. I will also add thatch roof to red/green/blue
to get some variation ( gives a :) to @galensgranny )
@Abandoned has followed my progress and made me follow the path.
I am easily distracted :) but I think you will be pleased with both mods
when they are done.
Here is a taste of what I am doing -
(https://i.imgur.com/9VcfDiT.png)

Keep up the good faith! :)
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: HappyLeighEverAfter on July 24, 2018, 04:21:55 PM
QuoteWhat are your thoughts on such a mod?
It will be very much vanilla style. No fancy resources or production chains.
Just a few buildings to fill out some gaps.

These little buildings are delightful!
Any extra stuff to supplement the vanilla houses is VERY welcome. It's never been the case that I don't like them, just that they are a bit limited as far as creativity and deco goes...
Thank You so much for your continued generosity to the Banished community. We love your mods and we love you.
:D
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: galensgranny on July 24, 2018, 05:23:19 PM
Quote from: kid1293 on July 24, 2018, 03:04:21 PM

I have also an update to Tiny (Tiny2) where I will add a vanilla wood/thatch
to all buildings in the mod. I will also add thatch roof to red/green/blue
to get some variation ( gives a :) to @galensgranny )
@Abandoned has followed my progress and made me follow the path.

I thank you very much for that, @kid1293 ! The thatch roof looks super on the colored wood!  :)   

I like that vanilla "thatch" roof because it does not look like a bunch of dried grass that mice, rats, bugs, and who knows what else might live in.  I pretend it is a stylish type of roofing wood.
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: taniu on July 26, 2018, 03:52:32 AM
@kid1293 :DI have a question, I do not know if you are still working on new Vanilla buildings - I love new shapes, I'm delighted - I've always dreamed of building the original Vanilla village - I have a huge request - can you add buildings with thatch mill , bakeries, butcher's shop at the original the set does not have these buildings - it would be a beautiful set - I'm a little lost - I'm asking if you're just testing new buildings - Vanilla? - Will you spend a new complementary mod? I would like to have such a set? . You are a super moderator - Thank you for all the wonderful mods you have created. Greetings ;D
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: kid1293 on July 26, 2018, 05:36:50 AM
@taniu

I want to build those things but I also want to keep it simple.
I have made some sort of compromise and added a mill and a baker.
Nothing fancy - not even a menu! - flour in / bread out. Get a little more food :)

There are many other mods with a lot of production chains.
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: taniu on July 26, 2018, 06:06:10 AM
@kid1293 :DThank you very much for adding the mill and bakeries, I also like simplicity - that's why I like wooden buildings very much - thanks to Westward Ho V1.0, Westward Ho - The Wagons !, Wooden Fort V1.0 fantastic mods - I do not have them in the game yet, but they are certainly great. Greetings  ;D
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: Abandoned on July 26, 2018, 06:24:30 AM
@taniu the screenshot of the water wheel mill and bakery are posted farther back on this thread, reply #27.   :)
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: Goblin Girl on August 09, 2018, 03:25:41 PM
Is this set available yet?  :)
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: kid1293 on August 09, 2018, 03:31:23 PM
@Goblin Girl - Not yet but soon, I hope.

I am still visiting it often and change things. Sometimes it is like that.
I don't feel ready right now.
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: Goblin Girl on August 11, 2018, 10:26:27 AM
Quote from: kid1293 on August 09, 2018, 03:31:23 PM
I am still visiting it often and change things. Sometimes it is like that.
I don't feel ready right now.
I will wait patiently while you fuss and fiddle with it.  :)
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: kid1293 on August 17, 2018, 10:28:46 AM
Patience pays off @Goblin Girl !
It is in download.
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: Goblin Girl on August 17, 2018, 11:48:20 AM
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Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: kid1293 on August 17, 2018, 01:11:28 PM
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Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: Lucius Verenus on August 19, 2018, 02:49:58 AM
Kid

I looked in the workshop but couldn't find anything under your name here - tried 'Old Town' in search but nothing.

I would like to try this out if you or anyone can help me get it :)

Cheers

Lucius
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: kid1293 on August 19, 2018, 04:24:53 AM
@Lucius Verenus - I don't quite understand your problem. It is in download

http://worldofbanished.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=463
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: RedKetchup on August 19, 2018, 04:40:51 AM
doesnt he talk about steam workshop ?
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: kid1293 on August 19, 2018, 05:03:00 AM
Oh, my fault. Sorry @Lucius Verenus , I don't have a Steam account for Banished.
Title: Re: Is Vanilla your taste?
Post by: Lucius Verenus on August 19, 2018, 07:24:12 AM
 Kid  That's fine mate - your answer made me realise there is a download area here, I am a Newb so you gave me the info I needed :)