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Title: Is Bluray the final physical media?
Post by: solarscreen on May 11, 2014, 12:33:15 PM
I like to have disks in hand for my favorite movies and tv shows.  I get the best image and sound possible and full control over its presentation.

With so much streaming available nowadays and more coming, I think Blu may be the last physical format we can ever get our hands on.

What do you think?

Title: Re: Is Bluray the final physical media?
Post by: nmid on May 12, 2014, 01:16:21 AM
Just wait till we get Holo-deck / 3D type of viewing.
I'm sure we'll get another type of physical storage transfer medium to handle that :D

Give it another 15-20 years :)
Title: Re: Is Bluray the final physical media?
Post by: mariesalias on May 13, 2014, 09:57:07 AM
I would be very surprised if Bluray were the last. I can't see the legacy companies not trying to milk every dime they can out of physical media.
Title: Re: Is Bluray the final physical media?
Post by: RedKetchup on June 22, 2014, 01:18:34 PM
2 companies are already working on it (Sony and Panasonic)  :) a 300GB replacement called Optical disks.

http://variety.com/2013/digital/news/a-replacement-for-blu-ray-is-coming-does-anyone-want-it-1200569762/ (http://variety.com/2013/digital/news/a-replacement-for-blu-ray-is-coming-does-anyone-want-it-1200569762/)
Title: Re: Is Bluray the final physical media?
Post by: A Nonny Moose on December 02, 2014, 09:45:46 PM
I know I am rather late out the gate on this, but what do you think of distributing stuff on thumb drives instead of rotating storage? 

A write-locked chip set has the advantage of just plugging it in and using it without needing anything other than a USB port.

Also, low power requirements; no moving parts; probably less costly too.
Title: Re: Is Bluray the final physical media?
Post by: solarscreen on December 03, 2014, 10:13:31 AM
2 companies are already working on it (Sony and Panasonic)  :) a 300GB replacement called Optical disks.

http://variety.com/2013/digital/news/a-replacement-for-blu-ray-is-coming-does-anyone-want-it-1200569762/ (http://variety.com/2013/digital/news/a-replacement-for-blu-ray-is-coming-does-anyone-want-it-1200569762/)

Multi-layer Bluray can also hold hundreds of gigs.  They will have to fight Sony to get traction - although Sony could very well implode from the massive hack they just had revealed.  A year of data mining including PII, business plans and practices, HR documents, and upcoming movie projects just to start the list of data just dumped onto the public internet.
Title: Re: Is Bluray the final physical media?
Post by: solarscreen on December 03, 2014, 10:15:58 AM
I know I am rather late out the gate on this, but what do you think of distributing stuff on thumb drives instead of rotating storage? 

A write-locked chip set has the advantage of just plugging it in and using it without needing anything other than a USB port.

Also, low power requirements; no moving parts; probably less costly too.

I have wanted to see physical memory media used like SD cards but I guess the permanence of an optical disc is probably more stable than a memory stick/card/chip.
Title: Re: Is Bluray the final physical media?
Post by: solarscreen on December 03, 2014, 10:18:16 AM
I know that all providers would like to get out of the physical distribution business as soon as possible. Before Netflix added streaming, they were spending $700 million a year in disc mailing costs alone.
Title: Re: Is Bluray the final physical media?
Post by: rkelly17 on December 04, 2014, 08:11:24 AM
I have wanted to see physical memory media used like SD cards but I guess the permanence of an optical disc is probably more stable than a memory stick/card/chip.

Not necessarily. Librarians and archivists discovered a few years back that DVDs degrade much faster than people thought they would. That was a huge disappointment, since DVDs hold so much more data than CDs. Turns out all that storage came with a cost.

Archiving computer generated documents has a whole set of problems no one thought of at first. Now people are trying ways to archive whole HDDs, since one needs both the operating system and the proper version of the generating program to access the documents. Technologies like XML help, since the documents are basically marked up text files, but even XML in the hands of Microsoft can be twisted. I still remember with horror the first time I looked at a .docx file in my XML editor.   :o  I get shivers just thinking about it.
Title: Re: Is Bluray the final physical media?
Post by: A Nonny Moose on December 04, 2014, 08:38:58 AM
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Archiving computer generated documents has a whole set of problems no one thought of at first. Now people are trying ways to archive whole HDDs, since one needs both the operating system and the proper version of the generating program to access the documents. Technologies like XML help, since the documents are basically marked up text files, but even XML in the hands of Microsoft can be twisted. I still remember with horror the first time I looked at a .docx file in my XML editor.   :o  I get shivers just thinking about it.


Yes, even international standards don't help when programmers come out to play.  The one thing I have found over the years is that one man's archive is another's garbage.

XML is a pretty good kick at the cat, but it is so open that all kinds of misinterpretations are taking place.

Even the U.S. DOD has problems with secure transmissions of physical data.  The best I was ever involved with was Multics R12 which only got a B1 rating because to get A1 you had to have a secure method of updating it, and we didn't have one.
Title: Re: Is Bluray the final physical media?
Post by: rkelly17 on December 05, 2014, 11:03:45 AM
XML is a pretty good kick at the cat, but it is so open that all kinds of misinterpretations are taking place.

Indeed. I have done all my encoding using the standards of the Text Encoding Initiative, an international group that has tried to set standards that will support interchange of historical documents and manuscripts. People also use it for electronic scholarly editions of texts with multiple witnesses. It seems to be getting pretty wide acceptance, though some seem intent on doing their own thing. One site that has some of the documents I worked on converted them to its own markup rather than use TEI. Fortunately they had the money to hire graduate students to do it, so, hey, it's their money.
Title: Re: Is Bluray the final physical media?
Post by: solarscreen on December 05, 2014, 11:52:05 AM
I have wanted to see physical memory media used like SD cards but I guess the permanence of an optical disc is probably more stable than a memory stick/card/chip.

Not necessarily. Librarians and archivists discovered a few years back that DVDs degrade much faster than people thought they would. That was a huge disappointment, since DVDs hold so much more data than CDs. Turns out all that storage came with a cost.

Archiving computer generated documents has a whole set of problems no one thought of at first. Now people are trying ways to archive whole HDDs, since one needs both the operating system and the proper version of the generating program to access the documents. Technologies like XML help, since the documents are basically marked up text files, but even XML in the hands of Microsoft can be twisted. I still remember with horror the first time I looked at a .docx file in my XML editor.   :o  I get shivers just thinking about it.

There are some archive quality optical discs that are guaranteed for 100 years.  Flash storage to include all forms of nand memory only last 5 to 10 years.
Title: Re: Is Bluray the final physical media?
Post by: A Nonny Moose on December 05, 2014, 01:02:48 PM
For all our modern technology, the best archive that is readily portable is a book of acid free paper bound in an acid free binding.  Rather bulky, but it worked for centuries.

Then if you want to go for millennia, carved in stone and sheltered from the elements seems best.  Deeply incised stone carvings have been around for at least 10 millennia.

20th century storage methods offer hope, but no cigar so far.
Title: Re: Is Bluray the final physical media?
Post by: rkelly17 on December 06, 2014, 07:20:08 AM
For all our modern technology, the best archive that is readily portable is a book of acid free paper bound in an acid free binding.  Rather bulky, but it worked for centuries.

Then if you want to go for millennia, carved in stone and sheltered from the elements seems best.  Deeply incised stone carvings have been around for at least 10 millennia.

20th century storage methods offer hope, but no cigar so far.

And the stone works better for long-term storage than clay. I had a colleague who read and transcribed cuneiform and his pictures of clay tablets always looked very ambiguous to me.
Title: Re: Is Bluray the final physical media?
Post by: A Nonny Moose on December 06, 2014, 09:50:32 AM
Cuneiform has got to be worse than Egyptian hieroglyphics.  Thinking about it, I suspect it must be some form of phonetic shorthand similar to Pittman.
Title: Re: Is Bluray the final physical media?
Post by: rkelly17 on December 10, 2014, 09:50:12 AM
Cuneiform has got to be worse than Egyptian hieroglyphics.  Thinking about it, I suspect it must be some form of phonetic shorthand similar to Pittman.

Not sure what the nature of the alphabet is--I learned to read Hebrew many years ago, but that was as far as I got. I do know that most of the ancient Mesopotamian stuff found has been business and accounting: "Sam owes 200 measures of wheat to Joe."
Title: Re: Is Bluray the final physical media?
Post by: A Nonny Moose on December 10, 2014, 09:01:25 PM
Yes, clear from something in Gilbert and Sullivan's Pirates of Penzance:

"i can write a washing bill in Babylonic Cuneiform
"And tell you every detail of Caractacus's uniform.
"But still, in matters vegetable, animal and mineral,
"I am the very model of a modern major general."

Wonder if they used something else for other communications and monuments.
Title: Re: Is Bluray the final physical media?
Post by: rkelly17 on December 11, 2014, 12:13:29 PM
Wonder if they used something else for other communications and monuments.

There are various epics (e.g., the Gilgamesh Epic) and monuments (those that haven't been destroyed recently) in cunieform, but I think that, as in most cultures, the mundane far outnumbers the heroic.

If you haven't come across it, you ought to find and read "Motel of the Mysteries," a spoof of archeology which records a future excavation of a shrine to the god Mo-Tel near the ancient site Tul-Sa.
Title: Re: Is Bluray the final physical media?
Post by: A Nonny Moose on December 11, 2014, 02:25:24 PM
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If you haven't come across it, you ought to find and read "Motel of the Mysteries," a spoof of archeology which records a future excavation of a shrine to the god Mo-Tel near the ancient site Tul-Sa.


Parodies are always fun.  I think I've read something like it.  it was one of those far future things where the archaeologists were asking themselves "I wonder what they did here?", but I think the location was a howling desert that had to be Las Vegas.  I don't recall the title but it was quite serious, in a way.

There was a certain parallel to the Anasazi culture.
Title: Re: Is Bluray the final physical media?
Post by: rkelly17 on December 12, 2014, 07:33:18 AM
It is quite amazing what we scholars can make up from very little actual data.  ;D
Title: Re: Is Bluray the final physical media?
Post by: A Nonny Moose on December 12, 2014, 09:32:10 PM
Most people would say that a doctorate is knowing more and more about less and less until you finally know everything about nothing.  Having worked with a building or so full of doctoral and post-doctoral people, nothing could be farther from the truth, but they do get into some pretty arcane things.

One course I took in synthetic geometry wound up in a topological derivation of general relativity without one line of higher algebraic text.  it was a fascinating exercise.  It's easy once you get to tensors.