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Title: Tropico 5
Post by: Rezulm on May 25, 2014, 11:57:49 AM
Just came out a few days ago.  Any one else giving it a go?

The controls are kinda wonky after playing Banished and other games that all use WASD and similar "feel" overall, to each other.
Title: Re: Tropico 5
Post by: solarscreen on May 25, 2014, 12:02:01 PM
Haven't played before but tempted!
Title: Re: Tropico 5
Post by: slink on May 25, 2014, 12:43:20 PM
I looked over the original game when it was published, but wasn't interested in playing at being Cuba.  Since then, it has become a Steam game, and thus even less interesting to me.   ;)
Title: Re: Tropico 5
Post by: Demonocracy on May 25, 2014, 02:57:32 PM
I played Tropico and Tropico 2 (though I didn't care for the second game at all).  It was a fun game, and I'd probably try out Tropico 5 at some point if I wasn't too deep into Banished.  : )
Title: Re: Tropico 5
Post by: Kaldir on May 25, 2014, 03:10:37 PM
I tried to get intested in this game, as it has some interesting gameplay, but I really dislike the tropical dictator atmosphere and I can't play it for more than 15 minutes.
Title: Re: Tropico 5
Post by: Rezulm on May 25, 2014, 08:44:03 PM
I'm also quickly bored, though it has a lot of good points.  It just doesn't keep me interested.  Can't quite put my finger on why.  If you never tried a Tropico game before, get 4 on bargain basement prices ($5 or less).  I think Banished, Gnomoria, and Rimworld have punched Tropico into submission in the current era of games.

Title: Re: Tropico 5
Post by: salamander on May 26, 2014, 03:50:28 AM
I haven't played any of the Tropico's, but I just watched one of the videos.  It looks like Command & Conquer with more city building.  Or, did I not watch enough of the video?
Title: Re: Tropico 5
Post by: rkelly17 on May 26, 2014, 08:03:03 AM
I started playing Tropico when the first one came out. You don't have to be Cuba or a dictator; your Presidente is made up from a selections of characteristics and you can choose the option of frequent elections if you want. I took a miss on the pirates one--was that 2?--just stupid. I have played 4 quite a lot but have not looked seriously at 5. At one level it is like Banished with politics and much more trade. You have to sell stuff abroad or create a big tourist industry to survive. You also have to either keep the people happy or repress them badly. I've never tried the latter route, so can't comment on it. You also have to keep both the United States and Soviet Union (it does start in 1950) happy enough with you that they don't invade and depose you. The problem I've had is that the developers seem always to be sorely tempted to "jump the shark" and veer over into the stupid. Sometimes they resist the temptation and sometimes they don't.
Title: Re: Tropico 5
Post by: Rezulm on May 26, 2014, 07:43:48 PM
I haven't played any of the Tropico's, but I just watched one of the videos.  It looks like Command & Conquer with more city building.  Or, did I not watch enough of the video?

Its actually more like SimCity with a tiny bit of conflict/war.
Title: Re: Tropico 5
Post by: Rezulm on May 26, 2014, 11:35:20 PM
I started playing Tropico when the first one came out. You don't have to be Cuba or a dictator; your Presidente is made up from a selections of characteristics and you can choose the option of frequent elections if you want. I took a miss on the pirates one--was that 2?--just stupid. I have played 4 quite a lot but have not looked seriously at 5. At one level it is like Banished with politics and much more trade. You have to sell stuff abroad or create a big tourist industry to survive. You also have to either keep the people happy or repress them badly. I've never tried the latter route, so can't comment on it. You also have to keep both the United States and Soviet Union (it does start in 1950) happy enough with you that they don't invade and depose you. The problem I've had is that the developers seem always to be sorely tempted to "jump the shark" and veer over into the stupid. Sometimes they resist the temptation and sometimes they don't.


And well said rkelly.  Some of the images they have for the "advisors" are just weird too.  And you can't zoom in close enough to your citizens anymore to actually observe them walking around. 

There's lots of good changes in 5 and lots of not so good.  I played I think tropico 1 most.   Then the ones after that had some weirdness.  Tropico 3 and 4 were like expansions.  So didn't play them until they were really cheap.  This one seems like a new and different game, just not sure what to think of it. 

I think if I could just do some simple immersion stuff that is lacking like zoom in just a bit farther when I want to observe the street level stuff....  or camera follow on a particular person (which i enjoyed about banished and past tropicos)... I'd be liking it much more.  Or if the controls were just a bit more normal for this era of gaming....  simple stuff.
Title: Re: Tropico 5
Post by: rkelly17 on May 27, 2014, 09:06:23 AM
@Rezulm, the loss of the street level zoom is a serious disappointment. Part of the fun of Tropico 4 was getting down on the street and watching the 50s cars and pedestrians go by. It was also fun to have El Presidente make a speech from the balcony and join the crowd in one of the versions (I forget which one).

A game I would like to see would combine Civilization and Sim City. You build up your empire for awhile, then put that part on hold and build up your capital (or some other) city for awhile. I think the back and forth could be fun, though some serious programming. Or maybe Railroad Tycoon and Sim City.

I'd also like to see a Sim City and Cities in Motion combo. Really that would be Sim City with better public transit options or Cities in Motion with better city-building.
Title: Re: Tropico 5
Post by: Boris_amj on May 28, 2014, 12:57:18 AM
Tropico 3 Gold Edition is on offer on GoG.

Is it worth getting, you reckon ?

Or should I wait for 4 or even 5 (when the price goes down to a non-ripoff level, I mean)

Title: Re: Tropico 5
Post by: rkelly17 on May 28, 2014, 08:09:57 AM
Tropico 3 is more like 4 than it is like 1 or 2. I have a vague memory of it being a bit untoward with the graphics card I had at that time (an old AMD before it was AMD), but that might be wrong.
Title: Re: Tropico 5
Post by: Rezulm on June 01, 2014, 04:39:28 PM
#4 was on discount about 3 or 4 weeks ago so not sure when it'll come around again.  It was like $5 I think. 

Its too bad because I got a free copy of 4 when I bought 5, but already gave it away to a friend who probably won't play it much. (cause I already own a copy)  If I'd known at the time that you were trying to get it...  dang.
Title: Re: Tropico 5
Post by: nmid on August 07, 2014, 09:28:45 AM
Necro-ing a thread, I guess... Sorry :p

(Copying from my other reply)
Tried Tropico 4 too and I might have liked it if I had played it out a bit with a bit of patience, but I didn't like the slow pace of the start and I didn't like the UI of the game.... Played 30 mins and quit it.
Might try out Tropico 5 instead, but I really need to get myself a decent graphics card before I give up on a lot of these games !!
Title: Re: Tropico 5
Post by: solarscreen on August 09, 2014, 12:23:21 PM
Necro-ing a thread, I guess... Sorry :p

(Copying from my other reply)
Tried Tropico 4 too and I might have liked it if I had played it out a bit with a bit of patience, but I didn't like the slow pace of the start and I didn't like the UI of the game.... Played 30 mins and quit it.
Might try out Tropico 5 instead, but I really need to get myself a decent graphics card before I give up on a lot of these games !!

@nmid what card are you using now?  I was using a 9800GTX+ and really wanted to upgrade. I settled on a GTX750 rather than getting carried away with a top end card.  The GTX750 is a low power consumption card that performs quite well.  You don't need the extra power connectors these newer cards require and it is VERY quiet! 
Title: Re: Tropico 5
Post by: nmid on August 09, 2014, 01:10:57 PM
I do my gaming on a i5 2.4ghz Dell laptop with 6gb ram... and it's inbuilt Intel hd graphics 3000 :p
Obviously, I play all my games on low video settings.
I'm sure I'm missing out a lot of skyrim's fun, but oh well.
 
Haven't ever tried or researched an external graphics card, but I am going to check it out.
Title: Re: Tropico 5
Post by: solarscreen on August 10, 2014, 11:58:11 AM
I do my gaming on a i5 2.4ghz Dell laptop with 6gb ram... and it's inbuilt Intel hd graphics 3000 :p
Obviously, I play all my games on low video settings.
I'm sure I'm missing out a lot of skyrim's fun, but oh well.
 
Haven't ever tried or researched an external graphics card, but I am going to check it out.

Ah, a laptop. Well you are probably stuck then unless that model laptop supports a video card. There are a few that can take specially made video cards that are designed for laptops.
Title: Re: Tropico 5
Post by: borreh1973 on August 28, 2014, 07:08:49 AM
I thought long and hard before commenting about Tropico 5 (T5, 2014) because got a bad taste for this game.

Before playing 'T5' I played Imperium Romanum (IR, 2008), Grand Ages Rome (GAR, 2010) and Tropico 4 (T4, 2011) and been a fan of Haemimont Games. So to pay a high price (US$39.90) for T5. My opinion may disappoint other people in Forum. But I did not like at T5.

TT5 was created with fewer options than T4 and limiting options strategies 1 or 2 ways to complete quests at a level that was similar Imperium Romanum and that was better (much better) in Grand Ages Rome. Made it worse, kicked the advances won before. Example, the soldiers became retarded and get lost walking blocks to find combat. Can take so that the fight just before they arrived. It was so in the IR and fixed in GAR.

After that, they left aside the recipe and lost the line of evolution of these games. T4 had problems. Some created by DLCs. The developers are slow to release patches. In short, I lost the desire to play T4 and came back after it was fixed some problems. I finished the game and waited for T5. I bought, played a few hours and I left. I tried again after the patches and I left again. For me T4 is better and more fun than T5.

If I can recommend some game of the Haemimont Games I will speak the best of them is GAR with Reign of Augustus expansion. It's the best without considering some recent advancement in graphics or modern graphic privilege. It's still the best in strategy and is a good building cities. This is my opinion.

Excuse me for any grammar error. I don't speak English very well.

Imperium Romanum
http://store.steampowered.com/app/23400/
Developer: Haemimont Games
Publisher: Kalypso Media Digital

Grand Ages Rome + Exp
http://store.steampowered.com/sub/2996/
Developer: Haemimont Games
Publisher: Viva Media, Kalypso Media Digital

Tropico 4
http://store.steampowered.com/app/57690/
Developer: Haemimont Games, Feral Interactive (Mac)
Publisher: Kalypso Media Digital, Feral Interactive (Mac)

In time, in the same line of games Kalypso Media announced Grand Ages Medieval to launch in 2015, developed by Gaming Minds Studios.
http://www.grandages.com/us/index.php
Title: Re: Tropico 5
Post by: rkelly17 on September 03, 2014, 08:55:22 AM
I have played Tropico since the original, though I took a miss on the stupid pirate one after playing the demo. I really enjoyed the original and still play it on DOSBox every so often. I think that 4 was probably the best, though it wasn't really much of an advance on 3. On the original everyone walked everywhere (as in Banished) and building could take forever, so introducing cars was a help. Much of the DLC was just dumb, though, and didn't add to the gameplay (just my opinion, of course). So when Steam put 5 on sale awhile back I bought it and set out. I should say that I tend to play as an elected socialist whose primary concern is maintaining broad support and not angering either superpower while making enough on exports to keep a high level of prosperity. I found the selection of traits for El Presidente more limited than in 4. There is now a dynasty with new members of your family popping up every now and again, though I've not yet figured out why. What is really new in 5 is the eras and the need for research. Each era has a slightly different flavor and needs a somewhat different strategy, which is good. The transition from one era to the next can be difficult. At first I didn't realize that the end of the world wars era meant that somebody was going to invade and I would have to defeat them. Since I had always played to avoid invasions or rebellion, it took awhile to learn how to get my rather inept troops to repel an invasion. We finally made it (Though seriously, if the Germans, Japanese, Americans or Brits had decided to invade a small island republic . . . ?). As to research, it really makes no sense that a small island republic would not just borrow technology from others, but I suppose some mechanism is necessary to control how you get ready for an era change. It wasn't a huge problem--just one more thing that El Presidente had to pay for. Once I was in the Cold War era it seemed pretty much like 4 with one or two new buildings. I lost interest before I made the modern era. I might go back to it should I ever tire of Banished, though with all the mods coming out that seems less likely than ever.

Oh, I almost forgot, the graphics for buildings are different and you now have to plop the whole farm and not just the buildings. Also mines are in some sort of stage-setting cave which just looks weird.

Title: Re: Tropico 5
Post by: PredatorBeing on July 14, 2017, 09:32:49 AM
For all you Tropico fans, Tropico 6 has been announced.

http://store.steampowered.com/news/externalpost/steam_community_announcements/1967358417052417329 (http://store.steampowered.com/news/externalpost/steam_community_announcements/1967358417052417329)
Title: Re: Tropico 5
Post by: Landei on October 20, 2019, 05:37:49 PM
The Tropico series has a history of remarkable irrelevance... - Tropico 3 IMHO was the only true update to the original Tropico (with Paradise Island), and that was in the graphics department. After I´ve bought Tropico 4 which appeared so strangely shortly after part 3, I almost felt ripped off... Everything that followed Tropico 3 was hardly more than (slight) varieties of the ever-same, with something additional given here while something else cancelled out... The music got worse bit by bit, the game became more and more "casual". The humor, which was refreshening in the first part, later became much too arty and ridiculous with every next part etc... I´d still prefer Tropico 1 if the graphics had matured a little better, mostly because of the balancing (and the music). Part 4 is still the best of the newer ones, and the only thing that the (otherwise quite lame) 5th part has for itself are mods. As die-hard Tropico-fan, I gave up after the 5th part. Shame... :(