I am still working slowly but surely (Have to do a lot of reading to do some stuff in Max I never did before) on a request from DesoPL to build a building he sent me a picture of.
Still a lot to do but here a image what I have so far.
Hope you like it so far DesoPL :)
(http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j355/Evert_Blad/DesoPL_Church_Draft_zpsqiqdampn.jpg) (http://s1081.photobucket.com/user/Evert_Blad/media/DesoPL_Church_Draft_zpsqiqdampn.jpg.html)
(http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j355/Evert_Blad/Church2_zpsk0znp79l.jpg) (http://s1081.photobucket.com/user/Evert_Blad/media/Church2_zpsk0znp79l.jpg.html)
looks very good :)
but the tower looks strange ;D
What is strange about the tower?
i dunno... or too small ... or doesnt fit with the other building of the mesh :D
in fact, when* i see it, i always think at a ..... chess piece tower :)
Looks very nice! :D But i agree, tower is kinda small. :)
In thickness or height?
I made a different tower with some more Cartels in it. I did not like only 8 cartels.
That tower thing in the picture is only about as high as the wall of the side rooms.
That is why I decided to make it taller but looks maybe somewhat skinny so...
I made the tower thicker overall and think it looks better this way.
Will post a pic tomorrow as it is 2AM so bed time here
I rather ask the question: What is the purpose of the tower? To me the tower in the draft has a military function. Therefore the tower should not be there.
Frist a historical note, think of making the building reflect the christian cross in layout, main entrance leads to the altar, then the wings for other services, and living quarters. You could also add a bell tower.
As for the tower, (military style), there is no reason to omit it if you like the idea, it actually might just make it cooler. I you choose to keep it try making it square, (looks better) then 1 story higher that the main roof and on one of the wings, at the end or in an 'L' shape placement.
Hopes this helps.
:)
Looks good Embx, but indeed the tower seems kinda off - it looks more like something you'd see in a castle for military purposes than a religious building.
Unless you make it square instead of round like some folks above have already pointed out, there are some good examples on Google by typing "Medieval Church".
The purpose of the tower is the picture DesoPl provided to me has one.
At least it looks like a round tower thing but maybe it is just a half round wall as the picture is small and not show everything what I can do too instead of a tower.
Some churches in Medieval times were short of strongholds.
The middle building is also a square tower with cartels on around them.
I think I put the tower aside for now and make a half/3 quarter round wal/building in its place to see how that looks.
Thanks for all the feedback. :)
Here is the picture DesoPl send me.
(http://worldofbanished.com/gallery/474_02_11_15_12_28_41.jpeg)
That's an interesting looking building. Now your model makes a lot more sense. :)
Personally I'm not sure I would use it as a church but it would make a very nice monastery, or even a nice town hall.
Also I think the word you are looking for is crenellations, not cartels?
Perhaps it is a spiral staircase attached to the square tower instead of having it inside.
Quote from: Turis on November 02, 2015, 02:01:20 PM
Perhaps it is a spiral staircase attached to the square tower instead of having it inside.
Yes, that is that little tower attached to the square building so they could go to the top.
The round tower/wall/building is at the right background almost at the back.
I think it is a tower but it is hard to say for sure from the picture.
Quote from: elemental on November 02, 2015, 01:17:44 PM
That's an interesting looking building. Now your model makes a lot more sense. :)
Personally I'm not sure I would use it as a church but it would make a very nice monastery, or even a nice town hall.
Also I think the word you are looking for is crenellations, not cartels?
Crenellations? For sure that is possible. The Dutch word is Kartelen I think and I looked for Kartelen in English and Cartels or notch came up.
DesoPL who requested this building and gave me the picture want it to be a Church, but maybe a Monastery would be nice too.
Thanks again for the comments :)
I suspect there might be two round towers at the front of the building, forming a gatehouse or entrance.
Quote from: embx61 on November 02, 2015, 11:08:48 AM
Here is the picture DesoPl send me.
Does he know the origin of it, where it is located? Maybe you can find a picture from a different angle.
Looking at the small tower-like protrusion at the back, there appears to be a square protrusion behind that again too. I'm thinking it's possibly a walled-off courtyard. Looks more like a castle of sorts than a church tbh.
Very nice works, though, and not dissimilar to designs I tried to make in Timber and Stone (before the game went too much in a combat direction for my liking).
thats what i love the most..... build something from a picture as model :)
Sadly i found it on internets so no idea where come from this building from ref pic. :(
Sorry I'm late to this discussion.
Regarding the picture:
Historically most early Medieval churches were defensible--those crazy Vikings, etc.. In some high-conflict and border areas churches were defensible up though the 14th century and even after. In the mid 16th century wars in Germany cannons were often placed in church towers because this was the highest structure in town. So a fortified church tower would not be completely out of place. That being said, the church in the picture doesn't exactly look right. It might well be of a building built in the Romantic era in the 19th century to look like the architect's idea of what a Medieval church ought to have looked like. A lot of Medieval buildings were rebuilt in the 19th century and "improved." Pre-Gothic Medieval churches often had squat towers (saved money, didn't fall over) but the top of the tower would normally be built so as to house a bell. The main tower or towers were also most often on the "West" front (the "front door" end) rather than at the crossing since it was harder to build a tower that wouldn't collapse at the crossing.
Sorry to be pedantic. I spent a life time studying and teaching this stuff.
No need to apologise, that's very interesting and helpful.
Do you have any good pics you could share that could be used as inspiration for model-builders?
Quote from: elemental on November 07, 2015, 02:46:55 PM
No need to apologise, that's very interesting and helpful.
Do you have any good pics you could share that could be used as inspiration for model-builders?
Again I am very, very late back to the conversation. Here are some pictures of churches built by "Transylvania Saxons," German people sent by the Holy Roman Empire to what is now Romania to anchor the Eastern border against the Turks in the 12th and 13th centuries. I found these on Wikimedia (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Saxon_fortified_churches_in_Transylvania). Photo one is by vutu and is under the Creative Commons Attribution 2.0 Generic license. Photo 2 is by Márton Ildikó and is under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Romania licensce. Photo three is by Zsolt deak. These churches are at one end of the fortress church spectrum, but there were many others throughout Europe not so different from these. Generally speaking, as time went on and areas became more settled and urbanized the churches and monasteries focused more on art than defense, but even into the 16th century church towers were known to serve as cannon emplacements during sieges.
that's great, really