Ok village builders, here goes the first of many challenges to come! A new group will be created and called Champions or something ego boosting like that and a private board just for Champs to converse and receive special news, offerings, and bonuses as they become available will be made visible. As well, a new board will be created called Winners Circle where challenge winners will have their winning entries immortalized.
As well as status, future contests may also come with a prize such as Steam games or GoG games and who knows what else!
Now for the Challenge:
Build your village and place a market. ALL people MUST live inside the market radius. At no time should any houses exist completely outside the radius. a corner can TOUCH the radius but no portion of the living space can be on or over the line. Work type structures, Fields, and orchards can all be outside the radius, but NO HOUSES outside. Screen caps can be posted all week, taunting challengers and amazing forum lurkers, and a winner will be crowned. Your final save file will be required to validate your winning village.
Posting will be disabled in this thread at midnight June 6th GMT/UTC.
Let the challenge BEGIN!
I doubt I'd be competitive, but it sounds interesting.
Do you have any restrictions in mind for starting settings?
Any seed we want?
I'll try to get this going. I've been wrapped up in work lately and haven't had much time for Banished (or anything else leisurely) at all. : (
Any seed, Any setting, any version!
Interesting challenge. Is the point to see how high a population we can get?
I will try it because I enjoy the challenges a lot, even if i am bad about posting my results/screenshots. :D Do we get to be champions even if we don't win anything? ;P
ok, this is fun.
I'll give it a go.
I've already restarted once, and now have to again. It's rough, building both a school and a market before building even one house. Not to mention acquiring food for the next year. ;D
After reading
@slink's post I'm wondering whether I understood the rules or not. I sited the market and put construction on pause, then built some houses just inside the circle, then built the market. Is that permissible?
What I'm building is going to make
@Demonocracy's "Slum Lord" town look like a workers' paradise.
Quote from: rkelly17 on May 31, 2014, 08:06:35 AM
What I'm building is going to make @Demonocracy's "Slum Lord" town look like a workers' paradise.
;D I hadn't thought of that. Could
@Demonocracy be the inspiration for this challenge?
Quote from: salamander on May 31, 2014, 08:15:08 AM
Quote from: rkelly17 on May 31, 2014, 08:06:35 AM
What I'm building is going to make @Demonocracy's "Slum Lord" town look like a workers' paradise.
;D I hadn't thought of that. Could @Demonocracy be the inspiration for this challenge?
Better get busy then because my village is looking shack-tacular!
How about @rkelly's question? Are we permitted to build houses before we have a market built?
Quote from: rkelly17 on May 31, 2014, 08:06:35 AM
What I'm building is going to make @Demonocracy's "Slum Lord" town look like a workers' paradise.
I think I'll provide you some stiff competition!
Quote from: salamander on May 31, 2014, 08:15:08 AM
;D I hadn't thought of that. Could @Demonocracy be the inspiration for this challenge?
A challenge for slum-building? I can't imagine that it wasn't inspired by my slumlording. : )
Quote from: slink on May 31, 2014, 08:30:17 AM
How about @rkelly's question? Are we permitted to build houses before we have a market built?
I would think so. He wrote "Build your village and place a market" which even suggests building houses and then a market. :D And only your screenshot and final save are needed to win, so no one can see in which order you built.
Good luck everyone. I'm such a slow player and just started a new town, so I'll skip this one. Will be fun seeing all the cramped neighbourhoods with every house 2 parents and 3 kids. And I suppose there will be some swearing and moaning when one of the parents die.
I have started this challenge even though I have not finished "Not quite a challenge" yet. What causes a victory? Most slummy people crammed together? Most beautiful slum? ( ;D) Most population within the circle? Most houses?
Dang! I misread the instructions (Not like that's anything new!) and now I have to go back and evict some people whose houses stick outside the circle a bit. Maybe I'm taking the slumlord thing too literally.
As I look at a market circle with planned houses crammed together in unbroken lines I'm thinking I'm going to have to learn to be a mega-trader just to feed them all, not to mention get enough logs, stone and iron to keep the place going.
Well, it's certainly easier to build the houses first and the market later, even though the instructions say "ALL people MUST live inside the market radius" and you can't have a market radius without a market. So be it. :D
If I fill my market radius completely with houses, that will be the entire colony in one spot. It may collapse and form a black hole. :o I wonder that the limit is for how fast vendors can move food into a market.
Quote from: slink on May 31, 2014, 03:06:54 PM
Well, it's certainly easier to build the houses first and the market later, even though the instructions say "ALL people MUST live inside the market radius" and you can't have a market radius without a market. So be it. :D
If I fill my market radius completely with houses, that will be the entire colony in one spot. It may collapse and form a black hole. :o I wonder that the limit is for how fast vendors can move food into a market.
A market radius CAN exist without actually building the market. ;)
Quote from: solarscreen on May 31, 2014, 05:55:48 PM
Quote from: slink on May 31, 2014, 03:06:54 PM
Well, it's certainly easier to build the houses first and the market later, even though the instructions say "ALL people MUST live inside the market radius" and you can't have a market radius without a market. So be it. :D
If I fill my market radius completely with houses, that will be the entire colony in one spot. It may collapse and form a black hole. :o I wonder that the limit is for how fast vendors can move food into a market.
A market radius CAN exist without actually building the market. ;)
Not exactly. A
potential market radius can exist without actually building the market. :D
Don't make Grumpy Cat come back in here!
LOL
Just build it!
;D
Yessir! Building now. I calculate that I can build 284 houses inside the market radius. At an average of three people per house, that is 852 people. Eek!
I hope somebody is going to challenge me on this one!
@nmid could crush this one but I know there are others out there that just need a push to give it a go and you could give him a run for the money!
Come On! Here's what I have going right now and I put LOTS of space between my houses so I know somebody can do better!
@solarscreen, no need for Grumpy Cat.
@slink is just laying a little Aristotle on us.
@slink, don't forget that potential is even more powerful than actual--in which case the potential market circle is even better than an actual market circle! ;)
Quote from: slink on May 31, 2014, 08:03:19 PM
I calculate that I can build 284 houses inside the market radius. At an average of three people per house, that is 852 people. Eek!
On a challenge, one should not aim for average. :P
@solarscreen -- I just hope you didn't build on a sinkhole.
Okay, first thing I did was place the market and figure out where my first food source would come from. I started on medium so I'd have some seeds (but then forgot I had them for awhile :D). Barn placement was not ideal.
I built the market by year 5 and about 10 years later, remembered I had seeds. Graveyard built in year 7 and first trade port built at the end of year 9. So strange building mostly from the outside in towards the market!
Finally finished laying out a road completely around my market radius; mostly so I can close the market window and not worry about building too far out. I end up re-doing the layout inside multiple times though. My goal is to try to get the town as self-sufficient as possible, at least until it becomes not viable any more.
I am really feeling the laborers and builders not wanting to work too far from the circle. Some buildings, like the graveyard, took almost two years to get built. Repeated uneven gender balances have been proving a challenge to grow the town as I want to. I'm enjoying this challenge on a few different levels; thanks for coming up with it
@solarscreen. :)
ETA: Sorry for all the UI creep, I'll try to remember to close everything, as my game refuses to take the screenshots without the UI.
Nice work there
@mariesalias ! I really need to get my log production up so I can open my port and start trading.
Unfortunately, I have a river that runs right through my market radius and the ONLY place the trade depot would fit on that river was inside the radius! I could have put a few more houses there.
I don't know why I'm hindering myself with this map...
;)
Here is what I have so far. Only 5 more days to build. *pant pant* *grin*
But no fair! We got our new tractor yesterday, complete with a new brush cutter, a finish mower, and a front end loader. *bouncing*
Nice to see those progression pictures. I'm looking forward to see what you all end up with.
Quote from: mariesalias on June 01, 2014, 04:59:06 AM
ETA: Sorry for all the UI creep, I'll try to remember to close everything, as my game refuses to take the screenshots without the UI.
@mariesalias: Try assigning different hotkeys to both screen capture functions. The original keys don't work for me either, but I assigned F10 and F11 to it (not F12 as that is Steam's screencapture key), and that is working fine for me. Now if only I could remember which of the two did what...
Quote from: slink on June 01, 2014, 08:09:57 AM
Here is what I have so far. Only 5 more days to build. *pant pant* *grin*
But no fair! We got our new tractor yesterday, complete with a new brush cutter, a finish mower, and a front end loader. *bouncing*
Nice! A new tractor sounds like way more fun!
Quote from: Kaldir on June 01, 2014, 09:34:53 AM
@mariesalias: Try assigning different hotkeys to both screen capture functions. The original keys don't work for me either, but I assigned F10 and F11 to it (not F12 as that is Steam's screencapture key), and that is working fine for me. Now if only I could remember which of the two did what...
I did that early on because originally only the screenshot without the UI worked, but it only made one screenshot and just kept overwriting the same one. So I rebound the screenshot options to pause/break and the print screen buttons on my keyboard. The first works, the second does not. I need to try mapping it to a new key and see if that works. Thanks!
@solarscreen I suspect your town is going to look much more picturesque! I admit, I wondered about your location choice, but it is a pretty spot!
@slink Grats on the new tractor! New 'toys' are always fun! I have been meaning to use your method with the fields since you first posted it, and I always forget. :/ It looks like you are off to a good start!
Holy farmland planning,
@slink. To bad you can't use your new tractor on them.
So far my husband has broken off the shear bolt on the brush cutter and bent one of the tractor's sway bars. He says he doesn't know how he did the latter. But he did a good job clearing brush away from the front fence, moving some cement pillars, breaking out some rotted stumps, and carrying some chips to four big trees for me to spread with a rake. Right now he is whipping around with the finish mower. He is going too fast, plus it doesn't really need mowing yet. He broke one limb on an oak tree while ferrying the chips, and got wrapped up in another just now because he had the loader bucket lifted too high while he was watching where he was mowing. But he is having a lot of fun. ;D
I'm supposed to learn how to handle it by using the finish mower, but I didn't have the heart to insist today. Maybe when it really needs mowing again, I will do that. I'll probably drop the bucket off and fold the loader arms up close, so I don't run into things with that. And I will go more slowly. I got to try it first, yesterday, with the brush cutter. I didn't do very well with that, so I let him on and he's only gotten off to sleep and eat ever since. Well, technically, also to use the bathroom. I think he was really starved for a powerful piece of equipment. The old one was broken for about ten years, and he had to make do with a riding mower.
So here is Envillet, 512403809, Valleys, Large, Mild, Disasters Off (Can you imagine a fire in this place?), Medium. It is year 39 and I'm up to 300 people. The fields in the circle will have to come out eventually, but first I have to figure out how to feed people via trade. I'm sort of getting the logs into firewood and fruit into ale going (though I am putting up with the incessant bonging for low firewood). I don't know whether I will ever get the automatic trading down. Is there anyway to tell the trader to sell ale before firewood? They seem to sell firewood first and then go to ale. Also, is it just me or are merchants reluctant to carry logs?
Anyway, the first picture is the circle and the second is the trading district. It's a bit far from town, but the best sites were all on the opposite side of the river. The lake isn't actually connected (almost, but not quite), so that is for fishing.
This is actually my 4th try. The first one was going fine, but too many little hills in the circle. The second map had tons of flat land but I killed everybody off twice. Then this one came up.
@rkelly17 Our markets look very similar except different maps, and you are further along!
Quote from: slink on June 01, 2014, 03:09:21 PM
So far my husband has broken off the shear bolt on the brush cutter and bent one of the tractor's sway bars. He says he doesn't know how he did the latter. But he did a good job clearing brush away from the front fence, moving some cement pillars, breaking out some rotted stumps, and carrying some chips to four big trees for me to spread with a rake. Right now he is whipping around with the finish mower. He is going too fast, plus it doesn't really need mowing yet. He broke one limb on an oak tree while ferrying the chips, and got wrapped up in another just now because he had the loader bucket lifted too high while he was watching where he was mowing. But he is having a lot of fun. ;D
I'm supposed to learn how to handle it by using the finish mower, but I didn't have the heart to insist today. Maybe when it really needs mowing again, I will do that. I'll probably drop the bucket off and fold the loader arms up close, so I don't run into things with that. And I will go more slowly. I got to try it first, yesterday, with the brush cutter. I didn't do very well with that, so I let him on and he's only gotten off to sleep and eat ever since. Well, technically, also to use the bathroom. I think he was really starved for a powerful piece of equipment. The old one was broken for about ten years, and he had to make do with a riding mower.
Better buy a few replacement shear bolts! If you have anything other than perfectly flat smooth land, they break... a lot.
I'm impressed with everyone's progress!
I'd post mine, but I've just woken up within the last 10 minutes and this begins my weekend, so I'm very-very-very behind. I'm starting now though. Hopefully I can make the deadline! : )
Quote from: Demonocracy on June 01, 2014, 10:09:42 PM
I'm impressed with everyone's progress!
I'd post mine, but I've just woken up within the last 10 minutes and this begins my weekend, so I'm very-very-very behind. I'm starting now though. Hopefully I can make the deadline! : )
You will be fine! There's plenty of time!
Quote from: solarscreen on June 01, 2014, 05:21:05 PM
Quote from: slink on June 01, 2014, 03:09:21 PM
So far my husband has broken off the shear bolt on the brush cutter and bent one of the tractor's sway bars. He says he doesn't know how he did the latter. But he did a good job clearing brush away from the front fence, moving some cement pillars, breaking out some rotted stumps, and carrying some chips to four big trees for me to spread with a rake. Right now he is whipping around with the finish mower. He is going too fast, plus it doesn't really need mowing yet. He broke one limb on an oak tree while ferrying the chips, and got wrapped up in another just now because he had the loader bucket lifted too high while he was watching where he was mowing. But he is having a lot of fun. ;D
I'm supposed to learn how to handle it by using the finish mower, but I didn't have the heart to insist today. Maybe when it really needs mowing again, I will do that. I'll probably drop the bucket off and fold the loader arms up close, so I don't run into things with that. And I will go more slowly. I got to try it first, yesterday, with the brush cutter. I didn't do very well with that, so I let him on and he's only gotten off to sleep and eat ever since. Well, technically, also to use the bathroom. I think he was really starved for a powerful piece of equipment. The old one was broken for about ten years, and he had to make do with a riding mower.
Better buy a few replacement shear bolts! If you have anything other than perfectly flat smooth land, they break... a lot.
He suggested buying two. I suggested buying half-a-dozen. *grin*
@rkelly17 Your town looks so tidy! And progressing well!
@Bobbi Glad to see you joining in!
I have to say that the more I see everyone else's towns, the more mine seems like a jumbled mess. :o
@slink, anything that I've ever owned that had shear pins, it was always better to buy (at least) a half-dozen rather than two.
My father had a rule: Every home improvement or repair involves at least three trips to the hardware store. If you haven't made the third trip, you're not finished yet. I've never found reason to question that.
Quote from: rkelly17 on June 02, 2014, 10:48:45 AM
My father had a rule: Every home improvement or repair involves at least three trips to the hardware store. If you haven't made the third trip, you're not finished yet. I've never found reason to question that.
Wow! So Weird! I have told people that rule my whole life and now I have confirmation I was right!
Well, the dealer only had three shear pins in stock. My husband bought them all. The good news is that they are mid-range in shear; that is, they won't shear off as easily as the one that came with the brush cutter, but will shear off before something else gives out.
OK, we made it to year 44 and 424 citizens. I still don't quite get how to make trade work so that the town can be dependent on trade for food, logs, stone and iron. I'm selling firewood and apple ale. Enough stone and iron is coming in, but logs are dicey and food, well, I just don't know. Every so often I manually buy some leather to keep warm coats at the max. As a result I'm still dependent on those fields inside the circle to keep everyone fed. I keep having the feeling that this place is going to implode very soon.
Some questions for our trade moguls. How do you determine the amount of food to buy? Is there any way to prioritize what gets sold first (e.g., sell ale to food merchants, you silly traders, NOT firewood!) or to prioritize which foods in a category get bought (e.g., all things being equal, buy apples before any other fruit so we can make more ale)? And what do you do when traders are just not bringing certain items? My resource and general goods merchants often don't have logs, so I go though periodic shortages--and of course, no logs=no firewood. I have some foresters' lodges around, but they can't keep up with my army of woodcutters. Any advice would be welcome.
I have much the same situation, at year 20 and 200 citizens. I have begun to replace the wooden houses with stone, so that I can preserve the firewood for trading, but with only two trading docks I cannot trade for much stone. I am instead stripping the map, which is okay for a time but will not last forever. I also have my farm plots central to the market circle, because I am surrounding it with foresters. Even with gatherers and hunters throughout the forests, I won't be able to feed everyone without the farms. I have two fishing docks, but those too will have to go if I am to have enough trading docks to buy food, and iron, and enough stone to build all of the houses.
This approach is very contrary to my normal playing style. *rueful laugh*
Yeah,
@slink, I know exactly what you mean. I'd never build a town like this for fun. In fact, I started another town with the same map seed so I can take a regular break from this one and relax.
Silly me, I didn't think of building stone houses. I guess I'll have to do some serious upgrades. I, too, am stripping the countryside of trees, stone and iron. With 9 trading posts I finally have plenty of stone and iron, but logs not so much. And that incessant "Firewood is low" bonging is going to drive 'round the bend.
It seemed so simple at the time.
Keep everyone close to the market. Such a simple plan and it should have worked. But who knew how things would go wrong.
So... wrong... I'm better than this. I was.
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Not so easy, eh? That's why it's called a challenge! I'm glad we are learning some things here though. Keep at it! We crown the first champion in a few days!
Only thirty-two Nomads you say? Sorry, I can already see further along where keeping the town fed is going to become a serious issue. I am wondering how far a population I can get with my layout before people start starving.
Year 37 and I am starting to have to think outside the box (or circle ;p ). At this point I am waiting for the last (small) group of nomads I accepted to finally die off. The 15 houses in front of the boarding house to the east have been my nomad housing (it is all laborers there and a teacher). It is too difficult to keep the uneducated out of production jobs now so there will be no more nomads now unless the people start dying out and it is the only thing to save them.
The stone situation is finally to the point where I need to build a quarry. Most of my trading is for food and logs. Never enough logs.
I have a plan though....
Year 52 and the circle is slowly filling in. It is getting more difficult to keep a steady population growth though because if limited food production/trading.
Growing forests just to cut the logs. I really wish you could designate stockpiles for certain resources, it would make this part easier.
My town kind of looks like a lightbulb. ???
Year 62 and I finally hit 600 population! I am really hoping I can fill it all in before the town implodes.
The first two mines (one of each) finally both went belly-up. Although I have back-ups, the farther away from the circle they get, the less they will produce. I have no shortage of laborers though, as there are only so many jobs to go around.
The commutes can be brutal though. ;P
And final post for tonight! Sorry for the multiple posts, the forum kept timing out if I took too long or attached more then 3-4 pictures. I wanted to get it all updated now while I was thinking of it.
This last screenshot catches me up to where I am in play. Year 66 and 664 population. I don't like that they are down to 150k food after the harvests. I wanted to complete it with my original model but I may have to make some changes to be able to make it to completely fill the Market circle.
All of your progress looks amazing, guys. It's fantastic!
I don't think I'm going to be able to make the deadline. I've lost most of my free time during my weekend to other responsibilities. I played around a bit, but it's not close enough to bother.
I'd like to ask that future challenges be given maybe 2 weeks to complete?
@solarscreen -- Yea, it seemed so simple at first. It seems I need a lot more practice on 'normal' towns before I can hope to be able to do this type of challenge ::).
All I've managed to do so far is litter the countryside with abandoned ghost towns. It's become a real mystery to travelers from other areas ... abandoned forester huts ... some houses completely empty, others with food still on the table and in the larder, but all clustered around an empty market ... but no sign of people.
I'm going to start naming all my towns 'Roanoke'.
I look forward to seeing the final entries, and finding out who will be crowned the very first Champion.
@ Demonocracy "I'd like to ask that future challenges be given maybe 2 weeks to complete?" I second this!
@salamander I like your description! Nice imagery!
@rkelly17 and
@slink I am also finding this a surprisingly stressful challenge and feel like my town could implode any minute! I think I must have subconsciously 'borrowed' your word rkelly17; it fits so well though.
I am very eager to see how everyone has dealt/will deal with this challenge! One interesting thing I found is that distance does not seem to hinder hunters near as much as it does other food producers.
@solarscreen Yes, it did seem simple! I am having fun though playing in a way I normally wouldn't. I am glad you came up with it!
@mariesalias, I once read in some forum somewhere that hunters begin hunting as soon as they enter the circle, so that could be why they seem to get to work faster. Not sure whether the same applies to gatherers and/or foresters. Everybody still has to get their stuff to the nearest barn or storage yard.
Year 27 with 381 people. I have four trading docks, which I manually manage, more or less. That is, whenever I see that a boat is coming, I save and reload until I get a load with something in it that I want. I have been trading venison and mushrooms for nuts, and firewood for stone. My houses are in a bit of a mess because over the several years that it took me to buy out the 4000 stone that one trader brought to me, I failed to manage the availability of houses properly. It's okay now. And in answer to a question posted on the Shining Rock board, no, new couples cannot by themselves push out one of s separated couple who are jointly occupying two houses. You have to manage them yourself.
That looks like a really good map seed. What number is it if you don't mind sharing?
The map seed is 281, medium valley. I believe I got it from Lady Crimson on the SRS forum. My apologies if I've misremembered.
It's a very nice map. I built the colony of Shoshong on it some time back, which contained over 1000 residents, but not all in one market circle. ;D
Thanks, I usually play on large valley but I will check it out
Regarding
@slink's statement, "And in answer to a question posted on the Shining Rock board, no, new couples cannot by themselves push out one of s separated couple who are jointly occupying two houses. You have to manage them yourself." I built a house with several eligible singles who could have paired up, but the couple and kids from the nearest house split up and the male and one kid moved into the empty house. I'd never seen that before. I marked the house for destruction, the male and kid moved back in to the family cabin and when I restored the house a new couple moved in. I had thought that couple only split when there were too many houses, but apparently not. As I said, this is the only time I've ever seen this.
@slink Your town is looking good! Very efficient with house placement! You are going to be able to get a lot of people in your radius.
I did see your post in the other forum. I was going by information I had read; I am glad to know how it really works now. :)
@rkelly19 I have had varying success with getting hunetrs to start producing food quickly. So much so that I hold off on them now for a little bit if I can build a fishing dock instead. I noticed with this town though that hunter cabins that were further out then others were doing just as well as the closer ones in the forestry hubs. With the fishing docks, the farther away ones produce less, which I expected as workers have further to walk.
I'm a bit behind on this challenge but it looks like we only have a few competitors. I know some of you may not be posting until you are ready to post your village for consideration though.
Looks like we will extend this until Sunday night so everyone put a little more time into it. I promise next challenge you will get some time to to do your best!
So here is where I am so far:
i started late compared to people (yesterday)
i m posting a screenshot from very start (when i placed my market)
http://dwraith.webs.com/Screenshot17.jpg (http://dwraith.webs.com/Screenshot17.jpg)
and then the one i just made.
http://dwraith.webs.com/Screenshot18.jpg (http://dwraith.webs.com/Screenshot18.jpg)
i am at 460 citizens now at year 35
doing a 2nd post in a row just to put my actual screenshot at 460 citizens in attachment :)
(sorry for that double post ^^)
850 Citizens, 273 houses thats the best i can do with this challenge on this map !!!
this is my screenshot
http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh636/redketchup2/Screenshot24_zpsaf68f968.png (http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh636/redketchup2/Screenshot24_zpsaf68f968.png)
i will do another post right after for my .sav
i was hoping to get to 900 and get the 900 achieve but doesnt seems to go higher than 850. as soon i get some new born... some are dying from old age ^^
this is my save
good luck to everyone !
@RedKetchup That is impressive! All stone, so neatly and efficiently placed! And all those fields. You did a great job! :)
@solarscreen I think your town is looking the most picturesque so far! I look forward to seeing it filled.
The more I look at other people's towns, the more mine looks like a complete mess!! o.0 You guys are too good.
WOW!
@RedKetchup goes for the early knockout with a tremendous post to intimidate everyone else on the board!
I only have 700 more people to go... :P
I'm not giving in though. We still have time!
@RedKetchup, great job!
Is it confirmed that the new deadline is Sunday night? If it is still tonight, I will not be able to compete. Did not have time to play much last night, got home too late. Tonight I go straight from work to dinner with my sister and will not be home until after the deadline, which is 8PM my time. :'(
However, on the bright side, even if I cannot compete I will have learned a lot about a completely different play style.
Normally I play at 2 speed, sometimes 5 for a little while if nothing going on. Had to play this one at 10 to have any chance whatsoever of getting done on time.
I normally never cram things together. I normally do not depend on a trading empire. Everything was very different from my normal play style. So it was really fun trying.
Looks like several would like to extend this until Sunday night so we will go with that. Sure, this gives people a chance to exceed
@RedKetchup since he has already posted his entry, however, he is certainly free to tweak over the weekend and repost before the thread is locked too!
nothing much i can do :P
i let the game run at 10x for many many years and it stays very stable. food goes between 80k and 102k .... firelogs stays around 6k... population between 840 and 850. i cannot add any house within the market circle. unfortunatly i have a little hill inside my radius which cut me 6 houses placements.
made 9 screenchots to show all around :)
http://dwraith.webs.com/01%20North%20of%20One%20Market%20City.jpg (http://dwraith.webs.com/01%20North%20of%20One%20Market%20City.jpg)
http://dwraith.webs.com/02%20East%20of%20One%20Market%20City.jpg (http://dwraith.webs.com/02%20East%20of%20One%20Market%20City.jpg)
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My save is final ! :)
i'm going to focus on my Valley of Death, Ketchup's version ^^
Nice job,
@RedKetchup.
But, just be aware: it's possible The Big Chihuahua takes losing about as well as a Wookie. ;)
Super fab! I hope "life" does not intrude too much so that I can finish this weekend! :)
Here's my entry:
Veron - Autumn of Year 57
483 Citizens 133 Homes
I really hindered myself with a river through the near middle and a hill to the north and south but I worked out pretty good anyway.
I have attached my final screen cap along with a save game file. 1.0.2 standalone with the 1.0.3 beta files copied in.
Sunday night is it! Work hard!
Here are some screen caps from my market challenge village:
I had to drop back a few years and take a different approach, but this one seems to be working so far. I gave up on a purely manufacturing colony. I'm just not cut out for that kind of building. I actually ran out of iron at one point on this timeline, but I had a bunch of surface iron that I had not collected so it was okay.
@solarscreen The river does cut down on your available houses, but it makes a more pleasant-looking town, I think. Especially if there were trees planted along the river and around the town.
@slink I am sorry you had to go back a bit. I made a separate save myself last night in case I can't continue my current model and push them to a starvation spiral. If that happens, I have an alternate strategy that may work out better. Good luck!
i agree with
@mariesalias , Solar, your town, look nice :)
to
@slink , when you ll fill those hole, and replace the crops by houses... you ll get more population i ve got, for 1 you dont have a little hill in the midle of the town^^ and for 2, i ve really tried to not put any corner house the other side of the orange line. i ve been very strict. and also you ll see, that part need to 'eat' alot, really alot ^^
nice jobs guys, dont give up !
@RedKetchup: Yes, that hill in your market circle did not do you any favors. Without that hill, and the small stockpiles, you would only have four fewer houses than I will have if I fill all of my area. My layout is completely symmetrical, but the houses which fit in completely on one side sit on the yellow line on the other. From this I conclude that the market circle is very slightly asymmetrical with respect to the market itself, since the position of the roads are defined by the market itself.
It is a lot of food that they eat, isn't it. ;D
Since, as
@RedKetchup pointed out, some of my houses are on the yellow line on one side of the circle, I am dropping out. Congratulations in advance to the eventual winner. ;)
I did enjoy seeing how everyone approached what was essentially a space-filling problem.
Quote from: slink on June 07, 2014, 06:46:41 AM
Since, as @RedKetchup pointed out, some of my houses are on the yellow line on one side of the circle, I am dropping out. Congratulations in advance to the eventual winner. ;)
I did enjoy seeing how everyone approached what was essentially a space-filling problem.
Ah, no you cannot quit so easily! If you have houses over the line, demolish them and bring your city in line! We will accept your offer.
bah ya ! dont quit cause that, just fix it !
@slink -- I want to see your final town, so you can't quit. Well ... you can, but you can't. Make sense? ;D
Fixing it required throwing away thousands of stone and hundreds of iron. While I was doing that I ended up with dozens of homeless. I started the map over again, but I got a bugged square from dirt road removal (from a forested square?) after a save and load. I take that as a sign. I concede. :P
However, here is the save from before I started over ... again. It has four trading boats awaiting firewood, not enough farms, not enough woodcutters, not enough herbalists, and, of course, not enough houses. The latter one is the reason for the former four.
What, compressed files are not allowed? Okay, here comes 10 MB of save.
i thought you only had like 3-4 maybe 5-6 houses to delete top .... not 94 homeless :P
oh i see 767 citizens !!
hehe i warned you that last part is hard, they eat like ogres. you need alot , and alot of outside circle crops and gatherers... and fishermen too. you need alot of space all around.
usually, 700-1000 citizens are spreadout on all the map, here they all at same place like if they were living inside sky screapers towers of 350 floors ^^ like in the big apple, Manhattan ^^
dont give up man !
I had to rebuild in order not to lose too many houses. Following the exact rule, none of the living area can be even on the line. I could have tried to dice the language and claimed that the big porch of the one stone house was not part of the living area, but I decided that the only proper thing to do was to make sure no part of the house was on the line. For the narrower "half" of the circle that was not possible with my normal pattern, so a new pattern had to be laid out.
That map is supporting between 1,000 and 1,100 in Shoshong, but as you say it is spread out over the entire map. There are about 130 9 x 9 farms in Shoshong, and about a dozen 15 x 4 orchards.
Here is a picture of the same area, in Shoshong. At 996 citizens, only about 96 of the farms are in use, but there are also about a dozen orchards, eight pastures, six gathering huts, eight fishing docks, and six hunting cabins, all providing food to Shoshong. There are, in addition, five herbalist huts, and one hospital in Shoshong. There were two herbalist huts in The Big Circle, but one was demolished to make way for farms. Shoshong has twice as many woodcutters as The Big Circle, and half again as many forester cabins.
I would have had more farms in The Big Circle but I had to stop building farms and concentrate on making new houses before things got worse with even more people. I confess that the large number of homeless did make me think of New York City. :o
Phew!
I had a late start and some delays along the way, but this was a lot of fun trying to make the best slum circle possible!
I got up to about 500 people, but I've certainly been bested by some extremely skilled and clever hands. Well done, guys! I've been watching the progress, and I'm impressed.
@Demonocracy good job, dont give up ! continue.
but ya, it s already hard to place the market, you need a big place, the market circle is so huge, and when you find a spot to place it, without mountain inside... bah, you can be sure they arent that far from the city, and they hurt you anyways cause ... you still need alot of place for all your food production.
in fact, to feed the first half of the circle is easy, the problem is to feed the 2nd half ^^ you cant put your farms at the other side of the map unless you are micromanaging all the time (using trading post to go grab a certain kind of unique food - the one very very far - and as soon they gathered everything you ask them to release it in the city, hehe ^^)
@slink I would have liked to see you just reclaim the few that overlapped the radius and then keep building. It does get tough though. I think these challenges can benefit us though in learning how to make less than perfect conditions work and succeed.
I just want to check that I have the time right for the ending. Midnight GMT? If I read the chart correctly, Alaskan time is -8:00, so that would mean it ends at 4pm on Sunday for me?
GO GO GO ;D
me, i m in wait of challenge number 3 ^^ 8)
Quote from: solarscreen on June 07, 2014, 07:51:54 PM
@slink I would have liked to see you just reclaim the few that overlapped the radius and then keep building. It does get tough though. I think these challenges can benefit us though in learning how to make less than perfect conditions work and succeed.
That may be so,
@solarscreen, but I don't work for you. ;) Seriously, removing every house that had a corner on the yellow line, on the portions of the circle that are deficient by one-half-to-one square, would have lowered my eventual total house count to below that of RedKetchup's. In that case, what was the point in continuing with that design? It had to be fixed right, and that meant rebuilding all of the houses.
Just to be clear, I did not concede because it got tough. I conceded because I had lost. I lost because I had failed to comply with the rules. Building exactly the same number of houses in exactly the same positions and orientations around a symmetrical marketplace should not result in only partial compliance with the rules, but it did. It was my misfortune to begin building on the "fat" quarter of the circle, or I would have detected the problem before the contest time was almost up. I also began it with the intent to become a manufacturing center, which I had never tried before, only to discover that I don't enjoy building those and so did poorly at it. The colony would have survived my belated conversion back to a self-sufficient farming community had I not had to rebuild all of the houses.
The Valley of Death challenge I declined to enter because it is too tough for me, to the point of requiring that I display masochism on order for me to play it. Hard, harsh, and small are definitely not my thing. :P ;D
I thought, according to the rules, we could have a corner on the line? Anyway, I am going to assume I have until 4pm my time and will have mine posted by then. .
My seven-year-old has been very much in a 'mommy phase' the past couple weeks so I have had less time to game and post on forums then normal. But the advantage of having a grown son already means I know how much I should embrace these times with my younger son and enjoy them while they last. :) My older son is going to be 28 next month, it doesn't even seem possible! Feels like he should still be a child still, too!
Touching, but not on or over, is what it says.
Alright, I went back in and deleted the two houses that were sort of touching the line.
Ending stats:
Year 90, 860 population, 255 houses and one boarding house, 678/86/96
6 trading docks trade for over half their food. 17 woodcutters, 14 pastures (10x20 or smaller), 14 hunter cabins, 4 blacksmiths, 5 tailors, and 6 brewers provide the products that are traded for food, logs, stone, and iron (as well as many of the warm coats and steel tools). Population fluctuates between 850-870, but without building more houses it will start start having some small birth/death within the next few years. it should be mostly stable around 830-860, with no further houses, depending on the effort put into trading and managing population.
Final screenshot:
This should be the save. It is/was from Steam, with latest patch, I believe.
I'll post more pictures later and catch up on the thread as tonight is a raid night and I have to get dinner and all finished first. :D Good luck to everyone else!
@solarscreen The challenge was fun and I enjoyed it, even if it was stressful and made me play outside my comfort zone. :D Thanks for creating it!
Not sure if first attempt took
If the competition ended at 8PM my time, I got in just under the wire. :P
Year 55, 293 houses 922 population, 633/131/158. Nasty illness right at the end, prior to that no sickness at all.
Here is a screenshot with more details of food and stuff
woah you both beat me !!!!!!
extremly very nice job both. i guess , maybe, if i would have run it like +20 years ... and done some tweaks....
but also, i chose to make 2x2 houses blocks instead of 2x12+ houses, lost alot of spaces just for Inside roads cause .... it seemed to me more efficent walking paths.
Congratulations ! i considare i ve lost ^^ hehe
you deserve the win :)
Nice to see those towns of you all. To think that you put more people in one market radius than I ever had in a game at all. :D
It was fun to read about your progress and see what you made of it. Early congrats to
@Bobbi, although
@The Big Chihuahua will have to chew on the save file for a definite judgement.
Congratulations are in order!
I have loaded the sav file and verified that
@Bobbi is our first Forum Challenge Winner!
The screencap shows 922 citizens, however, when I loaded the sav file, it was at 911 citizens AND 18 stone houses still being built. :o
This market radius could have easily supported 1,000.
I want to thank everyone who took the challenge and posted their results and attempts. Life can get in the way sometimes but more opportunities are coming up!
@mariesalias and
@RedKetchup you had fantastic entries as well. Well done! I know you will be tough competition in the future!
Congratulations, Bobbi! :D I hope you have fun in your private area for Champs, at least until someone wins the Valley of Death so you have some company. ;D
Edit: Oh, and here is what happens if you suddenly acquire hundreds of herbs, when you have had none at all for quite some time.
@slink , that is hysterical. I mean, I have seen a stream of people headed for the herbalist before, but never that many! ;D
Congratulations Bobbi ! ;D
Congratulations,
@Bobbi !
Everyone did really well, though. I watched the whole thread, and I think we ran into a lot of the same issues that we had to resolve to get as far as we could go.
This was a lot of fun. Thanks, everyone!
Congrats
@Bobbi! Impressive numbers!
I got to about 580 at one point and then got hit with a disease that didn't kill all
that many people, but killed enough that they lost their growth momentum. For a brief minute I thought I might be able to hit 900 (which was my goal) but I just didn't have enough houses.
Good job to everyone that did this challenge! I think it was a new experience for all of us! :)
@RedKetchup You actually had more houses then me (mine were very inefficient space-wise :\) so I think you are right, if you had run it longer you would have reached a higher population!
maybe :)
@mariesalias anyways, Bobbi highly won it :) and he deserves it.
since i was the first to post it... people had to beat it or giveup ^^ :)
Congratulations! I wish I could get that large a 'normal' town.
Quote from: salamander on June 09, 2014, 04:01:11 AM
Congratulations! I wish I could get that large a 'normal' town.
Agreed! Not only did our best (anything over 700 really) contestants pull off the challenge, they have a higher population than I've ever managed to reach. I'm so ashamed!
And here I thought I was the best at being a Slum Lord!
Official congrats to
@Bobbi now :D and to runner ups
@mariesalias and @RedKetchup, and
@slink and
@solarscreen and @rkelly17 and @Demonocracy for all your good pictures (hopefully didn't forget anyone).
Quote from: Demonocracy on June 09, 2014, 06:04:48 AM
I'm so ashamed!
Please don't, otherwise I would feel the need to be ashamed as well. :P
I never managed 800 or more citizens myself yet. But I will some day, just like you will.
Congrats to winners! Nice work all. I can't say it was fun building such a place, but I loved seeing what everyone else did. And it did push me to learn more about trading.
Thank you all for your congratulations ;D
I learned a lot in this challenge, but I am not sure outside of a challenge that I will ever use those skills. One thing I learned - there is no such thing as too many logs when relying on a trading empire. I had to start over and find another map seed because first one did not have enough space around it. Also had a small hill that would have cost me three houses....mainly I had a huge log/food issue after pop grew to around 5 or 6 hundred. "Life" intruded a lot and I did not have much time.
Now I am making a run for the Devil's Playground, but getting a late start and anticipating "life" intruding a lot again. Wish me luck!
Quote from: Kaldir on June 09, 2014, 06:27:50 AM
Quote from: Demonocracy on June 09, 2014, 06:04:48 AM
I'm so ashamed!
Please don't, otherwise I would feel the need to be ashamed as well. :P
I never managed 800 or more citizens myself yet. But I will some day, just like you will.
I have never gone over 1000 population yet. I got over 900 once, early on, and had a horrible death spiral! So I decided I would focus on the game with lower populations and figuring out the game from that aspect of play before I moved on to the bigger populations. We all play so differently, and there are so many different ways to play, that I think there is value in everyone's play styles!
Much the same for me except I only made to ~600 before my town crashed and burned. I've been operating around 400-500 population since, and still haven't figured out how to maintain things more or less stably (sp?).
i even never did 900 neither ^^
Nice going
@Bobbi !
922 is awesome.
I had my game plan in mind, that I would 1st build up my regular city and get it to 1000 pop (or use one of my older maps) and then start making the dedicated market circle.
I would give it 3-5 years to build completely, and let it 1st fill with newly married couples at the start (giving them time to give birth to 2 kids at least...) and also deconstruct original houses outside the market circle that had 4-5 people in the family.
My end goal was a 1500-2000 city pop, with about 1000 people in the circle.
However it was just theorycraft as I just didn't get time to sit and play.... :x
Oh I should say, I would have had problems with the challenge mid-way, because I would have definitely planned my circle from outside in.
My thought process was that the market should service the house.. so even if the house is even partially in the circle, it should satisfy the challenge...
Lol. I would have had to redo the entire thing to comply with the challenge rules.
Anyways, great going everyone. I know how much fun it is playing a numbers game :D.
Quote from: nmid on June 16, 2014, 08:54:23 PM
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Oh I should say, I would have had problems with the challenge mid-way, because I would have definitely planned my circle from outside in.
My thought process was that the market should service the house.. so even if the house is even partially in the circle, it should satisfy the challenge...
Lol. I would have had to redo the entire thing to comply with the challenge rules.
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:) Hmmm... you were going to play but you couldn't follow the rules so you quit. ;)
I knew you were a rebel
@nmid ! LOL
Now quit playing Rimworld and get back to Banished! Or do I need to setup a Rimworld board here? :)