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Title: UI gripe
Post by: irrelevant on June 08, 2014, 07:05:01 PM
Just started playing this great game a couple of weeks ago. It's a keeper!

My current town is doing pretty well, nearing 500 citizens.

The only real complaint I have is the endless clicking required to increment quantities at the trading posts and for the production limits. My hand is starting to hurt from clicking thousands of times to change quantities.

Also, at the trading posts sometimes the numbers increment by 20, and other times (for the same commodity) only by 5, and sometimes only by 1. I have to click out of the post and go back in to force it to "reset" to increment by 20.

Am I missing something? Is there some way to just key in these numbers, or at least to take control of the increment interval?
Title: Re: UI gripe
Post by: slink on June 08, 2014, 07:09:42 PM
Yes, you can type in the numbers.  Just click on the zero, delete it, and start typing.  Or you can keep the zero if you need it for your number, and save two keystrokes.
Title: Re: UI gripe
Post by: salamander on June 08, 2014, 07:58:01 PM
Was doing the same thing until I figured out you could type in the numbers directly.  Insurance covered the carpal tunnel problem, so I guess everything's okay now.
Title: Re: UI gripe
Post by: irrelevant on June 08, 2014, 07:58:21 PM
That's it! I had tried doing this, but didn't persevere. My wrist thanks you.
Title: Re: UI gripe
Post by: Demonocracy on June 08, 2014, 08:47:33 PM
I used to click that button repeatedly too.  I'm ashamed to admit that I only discovered typing in that field works just last week.  Boy, do I feel silly!
Title: Re: UI gripe
Post by: solarscreen on June 09, 2014, 05:36:19 AM
Every now and then I will start clicking and then ask myself why and then go type in my numbers.

We have gotten so addicted to clicking a mouse. I still remember the days before a mouse existed!  When I got into dekstop support, I taught myself how to navigate to every corner of Windows by keyboard alone so I would not waste time clicking.  Then I learned Powershell and do most of my support by command line.  Very helpful as a systems engineer!

Title: Re: UI gripe
Post by: irrelevant on June 09, 2014, 05:57:50 AM
I'm an accountant IRL, and back in the 90s I was starting to have problems with my back and my right arm and shoulder. I figured out that I was doing all this work with my right hand, constantly switching back and forth between mousing and using the 10-key. So I started mousing with my left hand. Took just a couple of days to develop proficiency. Ultimately my productivity is now higher, with no need any longer to switch continuously from mouse to 10-key and back again.

Such a small thing, yet it has been life-changing.
Title: Re: UI gripe
Post by: Demonocracy on June 09, 2014, 06:01:07 AM
Quote from: irrelevant on June 09, 2014, 05:57:50 AM
I'm an accountant IRL, and back in the 90s I was starting to have problems with my back and my right arm and shoulder. I figured out that I was doing all this work with my right hand, constantly switching back and forth between mousing and using the 10-key. So I started mousing with my left hand. Took just a couple of days to develop proficiency. Ultimately my productivity is now higher, with no need any longer to switch continuously from mouse to 10-key and back again.

Such a small thing, yet it has been life-changing.

Switching from right-handed to left-handed mouse control?  Good for you.  And may I say?  Impressive.  Very impressive.

I don't have the coordination.  See, my left hand is... well... not very bright.
Title: Re: UI gripe
Post by: irrelevant on June 09, 2014, 06:07:39 AM
Quote from: Demonocracy on June 09, 2014, 06:01:07 AM

Switching from right-handed to left-handed mouse control?  Good for you.  And may I say?  Impressive.  Very impressive.

I don't have the coordination.  See, my left hand is... well... not very bright.
Neither was mine. The first day was very painful, the second less so, by the third I didn't even notice.

The left hand can learn whatever it needs to.
Title: Re: UI gripe
Post by: RedKetchup on June 09, 2014, 06:08:15 AM
lol ya , haha mine too (my left hand is so ... stupid ^^) it cant even never find the WASD keys lol
Title: Re: UI gripe
Post by: mariesalias on June 11, 2014, 12:08:49 PM
Quote from: irrelevant on June 09, 2014, 06:07:39 AM
Quote from: Demonocracy on June 09, 2014, 06:01:07 AM

Switching from right-handed to left-handed mouse control?  Good for you.  And may I say?  Impressive.  Very impressive.

I don't have the coordination.  See, my left hand is... well... not very bright.
Neither was mine. The first day was very painful, the second less so, by the third I didn't even notice.

The left hand can learn whatever it needs to.

I agree, very impressive!
Title: Re: UI gripe
Post by: slink on June 11, 2014, 12:29:02 PM
It is so much more convenient to use the mouse with the left hand.  It frees up the right hand for the cursor and other control keys.  Of course, I am left-handed so it is natural for me, but my husband is right-handed and he uses his mouse left-handed also.
Title: Re: UI gripe
Post by: mariesalias on June 11, 2014, 12:40:14 PM
I find the idea intriguing. If I could somehow train myself to use my left hand for the mouse though, I suspect I'd have to get a different keyboard, as I can't see how I could play some of my games using the keyboard with my right hand. Maybe I am over-thinking it though? 

I have been trying to learn to use a joystick mouse (the technical term ;p) but failing so bad. I am so used to my Razer Naga with the side buttons, it is difficult to transition. I have to admit though that I probably give up too soon when trying to use it as I get impatient with myself. My current mouse is a few years old and becoming very temperamental, and has been 'fixed' once already, and I suspect is going to stop functioning well enough for me to use it before too long. 

Are there certain tasks/programs that help make it easier to break in learning a new mouse?
Title: Re: UI gripe
Post by: irrelevant on June 11, 2014, 01:54:20 PM
Quote from: mariesalias on June 11, 2014, 12:40:14 PM
Are there certain tasks/programs that help make it easier to break in learning a new mouse?
Yes, spending hours updating spreadsheets in Excel is ideal.  ;)   Continuous mousing and 10-key entry both.

The fancier your mouse, the harder this will be. Mine are always totally basic and non-ergonomic.
Title: Re: UI gripe
Post by: slink on June 11, 2014, 04:12:52 PM
Mine too, @irrelevant.  My mind boggles at the thought of repairing a $10 mouse, after using it for years.  Computer peripheral interfaces change more rapidly than I change my mouse.
Title: Re: UI gripe
Post by: mariesalias on June 11, 2014, 07:40:50 PM
This is my mouse (http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-mice/razer-naga), basically (mine is a few years old).

I haven't used a basic mouse in years as they were causing my wrist a lot of pain. Even with this mouse after a 2-4 hour raid (constant use), my hand will usually ache, but at least I can still use it the next day. ;D  If I didn't raid in WoW, I could probably just use a regular mouse.  I can't really complain about the quality of this mouse, it has taken tons of use and abuse and stood up to it pretty well. My husband sticks to inexpensive regular mice and goes through 2-3 a year probably. I probably should just bite the bullet and buy a new one, but I hate spending that much money on a mouse. I'd like to at lest try to learn to use this joystick mouse though since I have it already.


I have not used a spreadsheet in many years. I am sure I could think of something comparative though. Thanks! :)

Title: Re: UI gripe
Post by: nmid on June 16, 2014, 09:16:04 PM
I was "smart" enough to figure out that I can enter numbers in the production limit tab or the trading tab... but I never figured out that you can change workers the same way, by entering numbers directly..

I remember 2 occasions while trying to reset all my workers jobs, I clicked down 500+ times and then clicked up 500+ times again.
Could have been 900 times each? Thankfully my brain prefers to forget exact details of self-torture.
Title: Re: UI gripe
Post by: snapster on October 22, 2014, 07:55:17 AM
Can you change the size of the in-game windows, for instance the Tools and Reports? Also, being able to modify what is displayed or how it is displayed could become very important with mods as more content is added.
Title: Re: UI gripe
Post by: slink on October 22, 2014, 07:58:28 AM
Quote from: snapster on October 22, 2014, 07:55:17 AM
Can you change the size of the in-game windows, for instance the Tools and Reports?
Options, User Interface Scale.
Title: Re: UI gripe
Post by: snapster on October 22, 2014, 08:03:20 AM
That isn't ideal but it appears to be the only option. Thanks. Why did he do it like this? Could a mod change this or is it out of bounds? How are complex mods in general supposed to incorporate the added complexity?
Title: Re: UI gripe
Post by: salamander on October 22, 2014, 10:47:48 AM
There are certain things in the mod kit that are hard-coded and can't be changed.  The UI Scale option is one of these, I believe.  Take a look at the Readme file included with the mod kit -- it gives an example of how existing things like menu options can be extended to acomodate mods.
Title: Re: UI gripe
Post by: snapster on October 22, 2014, 11:56:08 AM
The UI scale option aside, the question is whether windows can be made resizable.
Title: Re: UI gripe
Post by: Mahnogard on October 22, 2014, 12:05:55 PM
Quote from: snapster on October 22, 2014, 11:56:08 AM
The UI scale option aside, the question is whether windows can be made resizable.

There is a mod that makes the professions window more horizontal, so some things in that area are possible. I'm using it in the attached screenshot.

Title: Re: UI gripe
Post by: snapster on October 22, 2014, 12:18:34 PM
Where are these images hosted, by the way?
Title: Re: UI gripe
Post by: A Nonny Moose on October 22, 2014, 12:23:13 PM
I have used the resize option on the GUI with great effect since I have vision problems.  Thanks for that.

Generally people hose images on a specialized image site.  I use a paid account in imgur.
Title: Re: UI gripe
Post by: Mahnogard on October 22, 2014, 12:37:23 PM
Quote from: snapster on October 22, 2014, 12:18:34 PM
Where are these images hosted, by the way?

I just use the image attachment feature here on the forum. When you write a reply, there's a link below the text box that says, "Attachments and other options" - expanding that section by clicking that will allow you to attach images straight from your hard drive.
Title: Re: UI gripe
Post by: salamander on October 22, 2014, 12:57:32 PM
Or, you can upload images in the Gallery section of the forum and include a link in your post to the image file there.
Title: Re: UI gripe
Post by: A Nonny Moose on October 22, 2014, 09:38:42 PM
Wow!  Does the server have that much space?  Most sites encourage images from external sites.
Title: Re: UI gripe
Post by: salamander on October 23, 2014, 04:43:40 AM
I've wondered that, too, but it seems folks are encouraged to use the forum gallery for storage.  Must be a heck of a system the forum's hosted on.
Title: Re: UI gripe
Post by: A Nonny Moose on October 23, 2014, 09:42:47 AM
Hmmmm.  Maybe they are backing on to a cloud service??  Not my choice of smart.
Title: Re: UI gripe
Post by: slink on October 23, 2014, 09:44:51 AM
From my point of view, everything not on my computer is in the cloud.
Title: Re: UI gripe
Post by: A Nonny Moose on October 23, 2014, 02:14:07 PM
Quote from: slink on October 23, 2014, 09:44:51 AM
From my point of view, everything not on my computer is in the cloud.
I, on the other hand, have trust problems along with serious security doubts about "the cloud".  With one or two exceptions, everything I have in computer format is on my local storage, the exceptions being my photo-album on imgur and a couple of transmitted files on Dropbox.

I am an old security hand, and I have real problems trusting anything I can't control.
Title: Re: UI gripe
Post by: slink on October 23, 2014, 02:40:00 PM
Quote from: A Nonny Moose on October 23, 2014, 02:14:07 PM
Quote from: slink on October 23, 2014, 09:44:51 AM
From my point of view, everything not on my computer is in the cloud.
I, on the other hand, have trust problems along with serious security doubts about "the cloud".  With one or two exceptions, everything I have in computer format is on my local storage, the exceptions being my photo-album on imgur and a couple of transmitted files on Dropbox.

I am an old security hand, and I have real problems trusting anything I can't control.

I agree with you.   ;)

My point is that pictures stored online, whether on a primary server or on a backup server, are in the cloud from my point of view.
Title: Re: UI gripe
Post by: solarscreen on October 23, 2014, 07:24:36 PM
The entire World of Banished forum is in the cloud. :) "Cloud" is such a misused and misunderstood word these days.

I have a business account from a well known hosting company and worldofbanished.com is just one of several domains and sites on it. 

There is plenty of space available to post your graphics here, but there is no requirement to do so.

Title: Re: UI gripe
Post by: Pangaea on October 24, 2014, 06:09:52 AM
Quote from: A Nonny Moose on October 23, 2014, 02:14:07 PM
Quote from: slink on October 23, 2014, 09:44:51 AM
From my point of view, everything not on my computer is in the cloud.
I, on the other hand, have trust problems along with serious security doubts about "the cloud".  With one or two exceptions, everything I have in computer format is on my local storage, the exceptions being my photo-album on imgur and a couple of transmitted files on Dropbox.

I am an old security hand, and I have real problems trusting anything I can't control.

I think that is a sensible standpoint. There have been too many breakins and leaks to trust it, which incidentally was my stand too, before all these recent leaks. That said I do still have some files on dropbox, which I also have in at least two copies locally.

Must admit I'm scratching my head pretty badly at the stuff people are "sharing". Here in Norway there have been heavy leaks of nude pictures of, basically, children; girls 13-16 or thereabouts (and probably many older too, but that was the media's focus). Why the hell would you even take loads of nude pictures of yourself, and particularly, why store them in such a place?

Yes, yes, the blame is on the 'hackers' that got the pictures, yadda yadda yadda, but bloody hell, some common sense and being careful never hurt anybody. Even more pertinent on Hollywood stars and such. In my mind, the risks of getting nude pictures of yourself spread all over the place is way too big, so why do it? Aren't enough people rubbing your ego, so you need to send that stuff all over the place too? Boggles the mind, it really does. A comment on modern society, perhaps. Sigh.
Title: Re: UI gripe
Post by: Coug_r on October 24, 2014, 06:25:11 AM
Quote from: Pangaea on October 24, 2014, 06:09:52 AM
Why the hell would you even take loads of nude pictures of yourself, and particularly, why store them in such a place?


You can thank some phone manufacturers for this (especially the fruity one). The default settings on iphones will send all files stored on the device - including pictures taken with the said phone - on the cloud of the Apple account linked to this phone. When a leak happens, usually most people don't even know the pictures were stored anywhere else than on their phone.
Title: Re: UI gripe
Post by: A Nonny Moose on October 24, 2014, 08:17:37 AM
The idiots don't understand the technology they so blithely use.  Everything on the Internet is broadcast (it is a datagram system) and can be intercepted at many points.  This certainly makes it easy for outfits with lots of funding (NSA, CSIS - Hi guys) and for well funded hackers.  All it really takes is a really smart kid in his bedroom and some quasi-legal software to monitor his Internet connections.

Those of us who were around as these systems (ARPAnet, bitnet, etc) came on line probably took the time to actually read the RFCs.  I did.
Title: Re: UI gripe
Post by: mariesalias on October 30, 2014, 11:20:54 PM
Quote from: Coug_r on October 24, 2014, 06:25:11 AM
You can thank some phone manufacturers for this (especially the fruity one). The default settings on iphones will send all files stored on the device - including pictures taken with the said phone - on the cloud of the Apple account linked to this phone. When a leak happens, usually most people don't even know the pictures were stored anywhere else than on their phone.

I didn't realize this. The photos on my phone are pretty much, my son and nephew, scenery, and my son's artwork but if I wanted them accessible to the internet, I would have uploaded them somewhere. Once you transfer pictures off your phone, do they stay on the cloud or are they removed?
Title: Re: UI gripe
Post by: Coug_r on October 31, 2014, 01:15:41 AM
Quote from: mariesalias on October 30, 2014, 11:20:54 PM
I didn't realize this. The photos on my phone are pretty much, my son and nephew, scenery, and my son's artwork but if I wanted them accessible to the internet, I would have uploaded them somewhere. Once you transfer pictures off your phone, do they stay on the cloud or are they removed?

Basically, once an information is shared online, you can assume that it will always be stored somewhere. numerical storage does not cost much anymore and information is worth a lot.

You can disable the cloud for specific items in settings/Icloud. I think they disabled most options in the last IOS because of the earlier leaks, but I'm not sure.
Title: Re: UI gripe
Post by: mariesalias on November 05, 2014, 08:37:38 PM
Quote from: Coug_r on October 31, 2014, 01:15:41 AM
Basically, once an information is shared online, you can assume that it will always be stored somewhere. numerical storage does not cost much anymore and information is worth a lot.

You can disable the cloud for specific items in settings/Icloud. I think they disabled most options in the last IOS because of the earlier leaks, but I'm not sure.

I talked with my husband about this and he said our phones were never enabled for it. He does not trust cloud space and I don't understand it well enough to mess with it. Thanks for the information. :)